“There’s quite a bit of crazy going on here recently.”
Recognize, first, that the “crazy” going on is not here. What happens in discussions here, at best, is just a mirror of or analysis of a reality that exists. Including that light weights opining from ignorance isn’t illuminating ? The crazy IS going on, however. And it is REAL... this is not a LARP. Given REAL issues to address... REAL choices are being made... meaning REAL people have deal with REALITY when making REAL decisions.
“Hopefully emotions die down, and reason returns to the forefront.”
We can hope for reason... but, hope is not a strategy... and there is very good reason to expect, as we have seen proven true thus far, over the last four years, as now, that there will NOT be any return to reason. When the free press has been shut down, and the courts are closed to hearing argument, on pretense... there is no reason to be found, and no reason to expect it will be. When partisans adhere to abject error, there is no reasoning with them. So, I do not expect reason to prevail. That is not my preference. It is my professional analysis.
Reason, itself, even if allowed to make an appearance, seems it will likely not be sufficient in current circumstances. It might not be “an argument” that wins the day... when some are intent on preventing any argument occurring, or being acknowledged, should its presentment occur. Without freedom of speech... there is no argument ? Who is it that has and will ACT to prevent speech ? Take careful notes. Without good will, AND good faith... there’s really no point in having an “argument” anyway ? So, until those goods, also, along with reason, have been restored, reason will not rule.
Agree with you that “The idea that Martial Law or civil war are welcomed is ridiculous”. I know of no one who admits to welcoming either idea... even while some act to require it. However, reality requires admitting that desperate people often foster, enable and force unwelcome things into being... like fraud in elections... and that’s real enough. That happens. And, when it happens... it happens in real time... it is ONGOING RIGHT NOW... and is not a thing that should only be acknowledged long after the fact... as in noting JFK won only because his Dad bought Chicago ? Or that Bush II won... only in spite of Gore and the Democrats blatant practice of frauds in Florida ? And it is avoided, only, by preventing it succeeding, and removing power from those (like Gore) forcing us into corruption and error.
If they will not stop... they must be removed... by whatever means are required... to restore legitimacy, which is ALREADY LOST as long as this travesty is sustained.
All that leaves... is the question of the difference between “welcome” and “necessary”...
That appears to be where the debate has progressed, now... even with many of the participants being unaware.
Personally, I will not accept Democrats and Republicans bipartisan plan to “settle” in a way that ignores, hand waves past, or fails to recognize and PROPERLY address, fraud. It cannot be dismissed. It cannot be given lip service. That idea contains NO potential, NONE... NOT ANY POTENTIAL... to even allow them to pretend to legitimacy.
Those making an attempt to ignore, and have US ignore the fraud... are unworthy of service... and should be replaced, forthwith.
I require legitimacy. Without it... its all a lie.
I did not swear to uphold a lie... but the opposite.
So, in making my own choices, in the future... I will side with truth, and not accept fraud, and I will demand legitimacy in process, and not accept any alternative.
Give me the Constitution, and the Republic, with full electoral and Constitutional legitimacy... fraud not being dismissed with a hand wave... and CERTAINLY not obstructed in being addressed, without consequence, by those in power now perpetrating it... while not giving in to those advocating our rule by fraud, who thus also advocate an end to the Constitution... but giving them the death they so richly deserve. Not quite Patrick Henry... but, my training and experience prevents me fully embracing his rhetoric.
In the outcome, I prefer the rhetoric of others...
I prefer the bad guys die... all alone... with no one else being hurt. THEY prefer the opposite... as they have shown you all along, since early summer. Haven’t checked the news today... but odds are pretty good that Portland is still under attack, today. There is already an insurrection in progress... it has simply been ignored and tolerated far too long. That it would be easily disposed of... is not the point... as much as it is the point that it is being tolerated... enabled... by those practicing election frauds.
From the insurrection... to a Civil War... seems to be the escalation required to allow the source being addressed ?
If someone is going to die in a civil war in this country... I’d still greatly prefer it to be those few people responsible for causing the problem, who are creating that requirement, by practicing frauds on the people... and engaging in war against them.
Connect those dots ? Why isn’t anyone ? Not hard ?
So, that does not conflict with my morality, at all. I’ve fought wars against vastly better foes, also in the name of the Constitution, for much lesser reasons, and for vastly more stupid goals in outcome.
I’M not the one picking a fight ? Instead, I hope to avoid involvement, which I will, if those responsible will ACT responsibly. However, my professional opinion, is that they will not. So, I might well be forced to make a decision.
And, yes, I mean it. IF it comes to that... THAT is the oath I swore. I will defend the Constitution, with my life, against the domestic enemies of the Constitution.
And, that’s not a THREAT. Just a FACT. I’d rather not be made a participant in any such undertaking. I’d still much prefer that people committing crimes, including those burning the cities down, and those SAME people who are intent on enabling those defrauding us in elections... opt to not do that... They should step back from it... before its too late... and thus not require those of us who have sworn oaths to not allow that... to fulfill our oaths and kill them.
I do not prefer civil war. I’m not a willing participant in any insurrection. I will not choose it. But, it is not my choice to make, and it may well be imposed on us... including me... and then it may well become necessary, for me, and others, to make our choices, and do our duty. If others do make that set of choices necessary... then it will happen.
THE FRAUD WILL NOT STAND.
DEATH TO THOSE ENABLING FRAUD AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.
As one charged with that responsibility... I’ve had 40 years to consider it... while honing my skills... while Vermont Lt Wt sat on the sidelines... watching others participate.
If if comes to that... those advocating for the sedition, advocating for tolerating the fraud in elections... better have something better than a photographer to protect them.
I will predict... that if the House attempts, like SCOTUS has, to dismiss the effort to present them with the evidence of fraud... and thus act to sustain the frauds without a hearing... that act alone WILL begin a civil war.
Heads will roll if that happens.
If they do that... they SHOULD end up with their heads on pikes. And, they probably will.
Some of them are that desperate. The rest of them are that stupid... that they don’t understand what they’re doing. Because, of course, they were selected for their positions, “voted” in, not because it was intended they would take a principled stand on anything, but ONLY because they are stupid, and, like Vermont Lt Wt, gutless, compliant and weak.
They appear to assume that they ARE representative of the country and its people... when they are, in fact... much less than those they presume to represent.
Another prediction: IF there is a civil war forced on us, it will not be an “Antifa” war... targeting innocents.
And, if the meeting on Jan 6th, as I’m told by experts here, is the intended launch of that effort to force the fraud on us... with no other possible outcome than accepting it... I suspect different outcomes will occur, still.
The meeting schedule... has never determined the outcome of any war in which I have been a participant.
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There is already an insurrection in progress... it has simply been ignored and tolerated far too long. That it would be easily disposed of... is not the point... as much as it is the point that it is being tolerated... enabled... by those practicing election frauds.
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Best comments I’ve read in a long time. Just picking out one of many. And I would add, the election fraud was coordinated, from above, and in many more than just the “swing” states. And it was an attempted “soft” coup d’etat.
If you have the time to read a comment that relates to some of this, I wouldn’t mind your thoughts on it:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3920760/posts?page=32#32
That is an exceptionally written post!
I stand with you, should the politicians fail to do the right thing.
There we do, that’s what its about!
ping to sanity post
Nice job! Come join our discussions on ransomnote’s threads. Freepmail her to get on her ping list.
Great post!!
It was written by Judge Newman who was a towering example of jurisprudence back when we had such things in our courts.
An example: Second, (a) did the trial court recognize that it had this discretion, and, if it did, (b) did the trial court purport to exercise it. Failure to exercise choice in a situation calling for choice is an abuse of discretion Failure to exercise choice in a situation calling for choice is an abuse of discretion — whether the cause is ignorance of the right to exercise choice or mere intransigence — because it assumes the existence of a rule that admits of but one answer to the question presented.
The case goes on to discuss whether the exercise was "reasonable" e.g. did the court have the discretion, did it follow the evidence and reach a conclusion dictated by law and by logic.
We are seeing the total and utter breakdown of rationality in our public institutions and people don't even know enough to recognize the problem.
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I agree with everything said.......
Dear merciful God, that we are at this point.
To Jim and John:
Though you may not be reading all the threads of the day, this post by Sense is superlative. I called you to it as my way of saying thank you for maintaining this forum where clear thinkers can write without being censored!
And in memory of Shiela who cherished our Free Republic,
The Westerner