I guess you contend that Hollywood and the government education system have not influenced your opinion. You formed your beliefs through independent research. Goebbels is not my hero. You write this in an attempt to discredit me.
You do not dispute the murder of children. Your argument that the Nazis killed more people sounds like one made by an adolescent. We would like to be remembered as the people who fought for justice not imitators of barbarians. One of the arguments for the Soviets is that they lost 25 million people. How many of those 25 million were killed by the Soviets themselves. Nearly 1 millions Soviets fought for the Nazis.
Your original statement was “Germany itself needed to be utterly destroyed” not Nazi Germany. Unconditional surrender prolonged the war and was just what Stalin ordered.
The Morgenthau Plan was designed to destroy the economy of Europe which would push it into the Soviet camp. It was never “fully” carried out. Neither was the Marshall Plan. By 1947 Europe was on the verge of going communist. The Morgentthau Plan and the Yalta Agreement had provisions for slavery in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
My opinions on WWII began to form when I was a boy and first heard nonsense like yours about how the Allies were wrong about this and bad about that.
That was about 60 years ago, and tactics of people like yourself, sir, have not changed -- you totally ignore the horrendous crimes committed by Nazis against millions of Germans and against tens of millions from other European countries.
Then you focus in on some event -- Morgenthau seems to be your thing -- saying, in effect: "see, see, both sides were equally bad, moral equivalent, just politics, both sides did it, especially those evil, wicked British, they're the ones, bad Brits are the real cause of everything, Germans were victims, Germans were innocent, Germans got punished way too much and Americans are evil too, for letting Stalin's Soviets rape so many young German girls, shame on Americans!"
Right?
Isn't that what they taught you in Goebbels propaganda school?
Vehmgericht: "Goebbels is not my hero.
You write this in an attempt to discredit me."
If Goebbels were not your hero, then why would you honor him in every post, by repeating lies and mocking the truth?
I don't discredit you, you discredit yourself, FRiend.
Vehmgericht: "You do not dispute the murder of children.
Your argument that the Nazis killed more people sounds like one made by an adolescent. "
"Murder of children", meaning what?
Hundreds of thousands of Germans were killed in Allied bombings of German cities, but as in Britain, German children were moved out of cities to safety in the country.
Tens of millions of Allied civilians were murdered in Nazi German death camps, Einsatzgruppen shootings, starved in ghettos, or otherwise caught in the crossfires of Nazi military aggression.
Here is a listing of WWII casualties by country.
Notice that for Germany the category "Civilian deaths due to wartime famine and disease" is left blank.
There were not significant numbers during the war.
Vehmgericht: "Your argument that the Nazis killed more people sounds like one made by an adolescent. "
Tens of millions murdered by Nazis is a fact having nothing to do with adolescence.
Vehmgericht: "One of the arguments for the Soviets is that they lost 25 million people.
How many of those 25 million were killed by the Soviets themselves.
Nearly 1 millions Soviets fought for the Nazis."
All of those people would have survived had Hitler simply kept his Non-Aggression Pact with Stalin.
Their deaths were caused by Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union.
Vehmgericht: "Your original statement was “Germany itself needed to be utterly destroyed” not Nazi Germany."
From mid 1930s to 1945 Germany was Nazi Germany and visa versa.
There's no need to draw a distinction, Nazis never did, and that Germany needed, needed to be utterly destroyed, period, FRiend.
None of your Goebbels inspired propaganda efforts to confuse, deflect and redirect the main point of WWII can change that fact.
Vehmgericht: "Unconditional surrender prolonged the war and was just what Stalin ordered."
Considering the tens of millions murdered by Nazi forces, anything less that total destruction and unconditional surrender by Germans was absolutely unacceptable.
Germans then desperately needed a figurative "trip to the woodshed" they'd never, ever, forget.
Vehmgericht: "The Morgenthau Plan was designed to destroy the economy of Europe which would push it into the Soviet camp."
Total rubbish.
Morgenthau's plan, of which President Roosevelt initially approved, was intended to reduce Germans to an agricultural nation, forever harmless to their neighbors in Europe & beyond.
Morgenthau's ideas were never fully carried out, except by the Soviets in the East, who began by giving 1/3 of Germany to Poland, and expelling Germans from now Poland -- that eliminated the Prussian problem.
Soviets also took everything of value they could transport.
In Western Germany it's said the Brits (oh, those evil Brits!) and French also took some equipment, though likely only the top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art stuff, leaving routine & outdated German equipment in place.
Americans, of course, took nothing, at least so far as I know.
The Marshall Plan, beginning in 1948, sent aid to 16 European countries, most to Britain, France and the Netherlands, but about 25% to former Axis countries.
Aid was also offered to Eastern Europeans but rejected, naturally, by Stalin.
Vehmgericht: "The Morgentthau Plan and the Yalta Agreement had provisions for slavery in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution."
Or not.
The US Constitution 13th Amendment outlaws slavery except for people convicted of crimes.
Axis POWs could be deemed convicted and treated accordingly.
Also, perhaps you can explain how the US 14th Amendment applies to Nazi war criminals?
Regardless, Nazi Germans were treated with infinitely more mercy & dignity than how they treated their own victims.
At least in the West.
German POWs in Soviet hands got roughly the same treatment as Soviet POWs in Nazi German hands during the war.
That seems fair to me.