Posted on 11/27/2020 9:01:03 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“Washing hands and wearing masks has reduced flu cases. And the normal candidates for flu are catching covid first.”
The corresponding decreases in deaths by other causes make “Wuhan Flu” & (fake) “Virus Crisis” apt euphemisms.
Johns Hopkins still leftist after all these years.
Interesting and of some historical significance.
My later uncle broke the Jewish quota system when he applied for JHU in the 1930’s. They tried to, but couldn’t refuse him acceptance as an undergrad (pre-med) because he was a genius. I figure that he graduated high school (our family’s alma mater for him, my father and my self) when he was about 15, graduated JHU at 19 and graduated Un. of Maryland Medical School as a GP/Pediatric doctor at age 24.
Hopkins wanted him to stay and enter their medical school to which he said, literally, “Go to hell you anti-Semitic bastards”. 3-5,000 delivered babies later, he said he never regretted turning JOH Med School down.
Also, JUH was a big supporter of Soviet asset if not active NKVD/GRU agent, Owen Lattimore. In fact, I met the school’s chaplain, a weird leftist named Wickwire, who bragged that he brought Lattimore back to the campus to speak. Lattimore eventually ended up teaching “Marxism” at the Un. of Leeds in England and new information found by historians points to him being a Soviet asset.
Personally, I beat the top JHU epee fencer in all our bouts in the mid-60s and was literally banned from their locker rooms. The coach was strick but actually a very nice guy and I think we finally had some laughs over what I wrote on their team bulletin board about me.
And I am also some kind of alumni of the physical JHU campus/buildings as I went there during one summer to make up a half-year of elementary school and advance to where I should have been (I was in the last mid-year denied entry class for my elementary because my birthday was a month past the spring registration period. The JHU campus school was a way to make-up that half year so that I could join my regular group in September. Beautiful buildings and campus.
So much for JHU history and our family. But they are still leftist.
The article says a bunch of things, but the one that the newsletter latched onto was that there was no spike in elderly deaths. However, the way they came to this conclusion was by comparing the proportions of deaths across age groups. Since CCP-19 kills the same folks everything else does, there is no change in the proportions by age.
Simple example. Suppose that normally you have 10 people out of an arbitrary population in each bracket die each year. Now in another year you have 20 people in each bracket die. The deaths in each bracket will still represent the same percentage of all deaths, but the total deaths will have doubled and the life expectancy overall will have decreased.
The confusion, and the reason the article describing the study in the student newsletter was deleted, is that the author conflated the distribution of deaths with the quantity of deaths and expected a spike in the elderly death rate relative to the rest of the population. My conjecture was that they believed this due to the oft-repeated claim that CCP-19 only kills the “old and sick” while not realizing that that is who everything else kills, too.
1. The newsletter in question is not funded by JHU. It essentially has no association with JHU. It is run by students. The newsletter removed the article in question with no input from JHU whatsoever. The student editorial board made the decision.
2. In the explanation of why the article was removed, the analysis provided by Dr. Briand was rebutted and the flaws in the analysis were noted and presented. Most specifically she had focused on data as a percentage of other data and the raw data itself never emerged. The raw data, which anyone can download from the CDC site in .CSV format shows very clearly that the number of deaths this year greatly exceed those of previous years. One can examine this data for oneself and discover that in fact there has been excess death in large amounts.
3. The data is largely absent agenda. More people have died this year than in recent previous years. The numbers indicate an increase in elderly death by about 15% as of now and likely 20% by March. This is in the Raw data and you can look yourself.
Thanks! But this is the key statement of yours that you have to explain.
Are you saying that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a virus to "prefer" youngsters, and largely leave oldsters along? Are you claiming that the article has a valid point ONLY if the virus DOES kill primarily the elderly? That the article's point would be invalid if the virus were killing proportionally as many youngsters - in other words: If the virus was an "equal-opportunity" killer with regards to age?
Regards,
(1) COVID-19 has not caused more deaths
(2) people who would likely get flu anyway, got the COVID-19 flu instead of some other flu variety
(3) The deaths of people were mischaracterized as being caused by the virus.
But there are other truths hidden, but should be noted:
(4) If a vaccine is administered and cures the infection, the same number of people will die of a coexisting other cause.
(5) having a vaccine will not decrease overall number of deaths
(6) This is probably also the same for any other virus in the past, and vaccines for them
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Most particularly, because of the time it takes to develop a vaccine for a specific newly-appearing influenza virus, the vaccine works only on last year's flu, not on the strain that will appear this year.
What good does it do to take a vaccine for last year's flu when it is this year's strain that will make you sick?
Why would I want to take a vaccine against the COVID-19 virus (winter of 2019-2020 winter) when probably a COVID-20 virus (winter of 2020-2021) is probably right around the corner?
Huh?
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“Are you saying that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a virus to “prefer” youngsters, and largely leave oldsters along?”
No, there are viruses that have age preferences, although mostly they like older people more.
“Are you claiming that the article has a valid point ONLY if the virus DOES kill primarily the elderly?”
I am claiming that the article neglects to consider that CCP-19 kills people in the same proportions as most other things. So looking for a spike among a particular age group relative to others is pointless.
“That the article’s point would be invalid if the virus were killing proportionally as many youngsters - in other words: If the virus was an “equal-opportunity” killer with regards to age?”
That, pretty much. CCP-19 has pretty much the same distribution as most other killers. There are certainly some things that deviate from that common distribution, like, say, Alzheimer’s, which doesn’t kill young people, or birth complications, which doesn’t kill old people, but the vast majority of killers/causes of death have increasing probability with age. Heart disease, diabetes, stroke, most diseases, etc. So a 10% increase across the board is not going to show up when you compare the proportion of deaths among 70-80-year-olds to that among 50-60 or 20-30-year-olds. It will show up in excess deaths, changes of cause of deaths (someone that dies of a CCP-19 triggered heart attack in March, 2020 instead of a “stand-alone” heart attack in September, 2025 is a CCP-19 death in 2020 rather than a heart attack in 2025) and shortened life expectancy.
I think Dominion is in charge of the death count. (sarc)
Democrats needed Covid 19 to create enough fear to expand mail in voting so they could cheat.
Today’s heretic is tomorrow’s prophet.
My 70 year old brother died on Nov 7th. He had been battling liver failure for over 3 years and was in the last stages of the disease. His leg and arm muscles had atriphyed, his body filled with poison fluids faster than they could pump it out (over 20 liters at a time), he slept 90 % of the time and could eat nothing but a little Insure. Because he lived six hours away from me and our Mom, alone in an apartment, we arranged for him to go into a nursing home. At that time he was having regular “rapid” Covid tests and when a test came up positive they sent him to the hospital. All his symptoms were the same as had been for months. The 2nd day, on the 7th, in hospital his nurse was in touch with me every 2 hours while he was dying and saying all of his organs were shutting down and they could not maintain a blood pressure. There was never any mention of need for a respirator, a fever, or other Covid-like symptoms. Yet his death certificate states .... “multi system organ failure due to Covid 19”. There is no mention at all on the certificate of the disease he and his doctors had been treating and battling for 3 years. How many thousands of other deaths have they
attributed falsely to Covid ?
So they should burn her as a witch. Or see if she’s a duck.
Or, more likely flu cases are being mis-diagnosed as Wuhan Red Death.
The mask cult has minimal effect on any virus. If anything, it helps the spread.
Not one person in America is wearing the mask properly, never touching their face, replacing it after every wearing, sanitizing daily etc. No one.
If they do come in contact with the virus, it transfers to their pocket when the mask comes off and works its way inside the mask then into the lungs.
Have you noticed that all these cases that are rising are all AFTER the mask mandates.
92% of people are members of the mask cult yet they are the ones getting sick.
I am sorry to hear about your brother’s passing. Please accept my condolences.
Would you say that he would have died anyway even without Covid? Or did Covid accelerate his demise?
its still available as a pdf to download. the article now has been fact checked by the pubication and they have addressed the issues with it. I’m not making any statements regarding the truth of any of this:
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Thanks for your clear response!
CCP-19 has pretty much the same distribution as most other killers.
Is that a FACT? Your criticisms are valid only if, indeed, the virus is an "equal-opportunity" killer. When you say "has pretty much the same distribution," are you really saying "is an equal-opportunity killer?" (Not just "equal-opportunity infector?")
Has your premise really been firmly established? Because everything I have happened upon on the Internet always emphasizes how youngsters are virtually immune (meaning: can be infected, but aren't at risk of losing their life). I have encountered no one who argues otherwise!
You need to clearly state this for us to properly understand your objections here!
Regards,
He had been battling liver failure for over 3 years and was in the last stages of the disease. His leg and arm muscles had atriphyed, his body filled with poison fluids faster than they could pump it out (over 20 liters at a time), he slept 90 % of the time and could eat nothing but a little Insure.
How could you ask that?! I think that, in such a dire condition, a stubbed toe or a mild case of dandruff could have finished him off!
Regards,
Yes. To within a fraction of a percent. Based on CDC data, same as the study we are discussing. The greatest differential between the age brackets with and without COVID-19 is 0.25% (a quarter of a percent, 1/400th), while most are much less. The 2015 deaths obviously don't include any COVID-19 deaths, while the COVID-19 deaths are for an incomplete year (2020), however, the distributions by age are not likely to change significantly from year to year up to 2020 or for the last month of 2020. Best combination of data available for a comparison, IMO, to answer your question.
As polite as you are being, I have already answered this question several times, and I'm not interested in a game of "gotcha" however courteously played. So you can try to badger some other witness.
Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
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