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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, I’ll probably get flamed too. But I know that at heart President Trump believes in our Constitution. His statements show an encouraging will to keep challenging the dubious results. But they don’t describe a different path to victory than the current lawsuits.

Here’s the root of the issue. To whose satisfaction must Biden prove that enough of his votes were legal to establish his victory? The rule of law in the U.S. says that the courts are the final arbiters. Current lawsuits are putting the legality or illegality of Biden’s votes to the test. I believe President Trump will abide by our laws, and accept the courts’ rulings. If the cases are won in the lower courts, or lost and appealed and then selected for review by the USSC, Biden’s majority will be ruled illegal, and all will be well. If this does not happen, our President cannot legally demand to be PERSONALLY satisfied outside of the court system that Biden’s votes were all legal.

It is silly to say a handful of illegal votes disqualify a candidate. If some supporters chose on their own to vote illegally that is beyond the candidate’s control. Each voter must be punished for breaking the law and their vote disqualified. It doesn’t disqualify the candidacy of the person they voted for. If it can be proved that the candidate participated in the crime, that’s a different story, and that’s what the lawsuits are pursuing.

In a system like ours, where the accused is considered innocent until proven guilty, the accused doesn’t have to prove a negative—that voter fraud did NOT occur. The accuser has to prove that voter fraud DID occur, and it has to be proven in court.


81 posted on 11/27/2020 9:24:33 AM PST by edweena
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To: edweena

“The accuser has to prove that voter fraud DID occur, and it has to be proven in court.”

This is in process. The preponderance of evidence is the standard. Right now it is in Trump’s favor in the various lawsuits going on.

Affidavits are evidence. Statistical anomalies are evidence. Illegal rule changes (bypassing the legislature) are evidence. “Missing” documents are evidence. Failed chains-of-custody are evidence. Tampered-with voting machines are evidence. Bribes are evidence. Election interference (kicking out the poll watchers, boarding up the windows, false claims of “emergencies”, ballot harvesting, blah, blah) are evidence. Even the fact that the people running the elections simply failed to properly do their duty is evidence.

Now the burden is on Biden’s side to refute the preponderance of evidence - the standard - by paring down the accusations to the point where it would no longer overturn the reported results. If he cannot credibly disprove the sworn statements and explain the anomalies, he fails the preponderance standard and the election is deemed fraudulent and he is disqualified in that state. Once the first state falls, the first domino, the rest is easier. That’s where we are, now, toppling that first domino. With what looks like a pretty hefty push.

A fraudulent election must be reversed. Biden might not go to jail for the fraud, but there will be repercussions.


116 posted on 11/27/2020 10:09:13 AM PST by calenel (Tree of Liberty is thirsty.)
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To: edweena
You are literally so full of sh!t that it staggers the human mind.

This is not (yet) a criminal case.

It is not against Biden.

It is a civil case, or a series of them, which require merely 51%-49% preponderance of the evidence.

What has already been given in the cases in Michigan and Georgia are already "beyond a reasonable doubt." I've read both cases and the exhibits. They reach the legal standard, of showing explicitly, on grounds which are established in prior Federal or Supreme Court cases, that enough votes *could* have been affected, to have changed the outcome.

That is enough to award the injunctive relief.

(Incidentally, three sitting members of the US Supreme Court were involved in the last Presidential Election where the Supreme Court intervened -- either as Supreme Court Justices, or as attorneys on the winning side (Bush). )

The remedies sought range anywhere from awarding the state's electors to the GOP (Trump) (there is precendent for overturning elections by the judiciary according to a webpage from The Heritage Foundation which lists a number of such cases)...all the way down to impounding the voting machines and ballots and conducting detailed scrutiny.

IF the courts deny this than in the interests of preserving the US from becoming a banana republic, Trump can and likely will invoke both the 2018 Executive Order about foreign interference in elections, or the Insurrection Act.

The most peaceful way forward, would be for the Supreme Court to order the vote for President into Congress, where the voting is NOT "best-of-435" but "majority of the states" where each state's delegation has ONE vote.

125 posted on 11/27/2020 1:23:24 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: edweena

its fundamentally a civil rights issue.

Each fraudulent vote disenfranchises a legitimate vote. Its why EACH fraudulent vote is a felony.

The candidate himself or herself has nothing to do with it. It is the responsibility of the state to conduct a “clean vote’. If the state is unwilling or unable to do so, the Federal govm’t steps in to preserve the civil right.


135 posted on 11/27/2020 2:11:45 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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