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Where/How does one get Redemption for the deceased? (Vanity)
Self | 10/11/2020 | Self

Posted on 10/11/2020 7:15:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$

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To: stanne

As a Protestant I appreciate that you were simply sharing what you do. While I don’t agree I don’t hate and I am sure you are just weighing in with sincere observations.

I think he should make the restitution on behalf of the cousin. It is doing good.


41 posted on 10/11/2020 8:52:44 AM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen)
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To: Persevero

“I think he should make the restitution on behalf of the cousin. It is doing good.”

Nice feel-good thought, but not possible.


42 posted on 10/11/2020 8:54:27 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable. Discouragement is a choice.)
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To: Persevero

I always avoid the word should.

You are correct. I state what works for me. Then I move along. I till the college kids where I’m coming from politically they tend to back off trying to argue their naive points and it gives me a chance to butt in to their bigotry prejudices about me.


43 posted on 10/11/2020 9:00:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: mad_as_he$$

I feel bad for this person, but that is not how it works.


44 posted on 10/11/2020 10:05:53 AM PDT by ALASKA
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To: stanne

It not by works that we are saved.


45 posted on 10/11/2020 10:09:05 AM PDT by reviled downesdad (Some of the lost will never believe the Truth.)
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To: Captain Walker

It makes complete sense. Can you apologize for slavery committed by people of a different generation by giving the descendants of slavery money?


46 posted on 10/11/2020 11:05:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
No, because both the offender and the aggrieved are dead.

If the aggrieved party is still alive, then I can make amends for the offender.

47 posted on 10/11/2020 11:16:48 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has truth gets humor as a bonus.")
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To: Captain Walker

You can make monetary amends, but you cannot apologize FOR him. So if a descendant of slavery was still alive, you could apologize for deceased slave owners?


48 posted on 10/11/2020 11:20:46 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I can certainly compensate him sufficiently to alleviate his grievance against those who held him in captivity; my compensation would be such that in response to my request for the forgiveness of the slaveholder, he would be compelled to grant it.


49 posted on 10/11/2020 11:25:40 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has truth gets humor as a bonus.")
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To: mad_as_he$$
To answer the posed question, the living cannot and do not 'get redemption for the deceased'.

Now to address the underlying issues.

Your cousin left a n unfinished list of things he wished to rectify. God knows what became of the wrong your cousin believed he had done to others. Some may have been used already by God to change circumstances for those 'wronged' ... all things work together to accomplish His pruposes, for those who are in Christ.

You have been enjoined to accomplish what your cousin couldnot finish. You are not obliged to do this, before God. HOWEVER, you should perhaps put the whole matter up to GOD and see if HE brings people into your life who are listed and who can benefit from the desire of your cousin as a Christian to rectify. The reality that someone forgotten (probably) felt the need to right wrongs they had done can be a powerful message to anyone fence sitting the redemption offered as Grace From God.

50 posted on 10/11/2020 11:26:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I would like to apologize on behalf of some Freepers who were not interested in helping a good longtime Freeper assist a recently-passed relative simply affirm some debt; the usual Sunday Forum creeps who think it's 1620 and the Thirty Years War on the Continent, or perhaps the Irish Rebellion 21 years later.

At any rate, I respect that you are committed to this challenge and I hope that you write down your thoughts and the details of that challenge. It has the makings of a genuinely involving piece of non-fiction (you can always change the names, it's still non-fiction). And a prayer for your success!

51 posted on 10/11/2020 12:05:49 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (I've got your Third Rail of Politics right here.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I think restitution is a biblical concept. It doesn’t save you though. If that’s what you mean by “it doesn’t work” then I agree.


52 posted on 10/11/2020 1:07:51 PM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen)
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To: mad_as_he$$

You can’t. He was either redeemed by God grace through Jesus Christ before his death, or he was not.


53 posted on 10/11/2020 1:16:09 PM PDT by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Well, you can’t make it right with the dead and those you can not find or who no longer exist., but you can do something with the amount “in their name”. I suggest St Judes.

Most importantly, trust God to lead you and trust Gods words about redeeming those who believe in His Son, Jesus Christ. It is not good works, or making up for anything that saves...it Gods Grace that saves.

Sleep well, friend.


54 posted on 10/11/2020 1:23:44 PM PDT by KittenClaws ("There is no 1502 Johnson" ~ Joan Hamilton)
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To: mad_as_he$$

read later. I lost my daughter not knowing if she was saved.


55 posted on 10/11/2020 6:56:15 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: mdmathis6

While Michael Palin is still around Terry Jones is now pining for the fjords.


56 posted on 10/11/2020 7:19:46 PM PDT by xp38
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To: mad_as_he$$; 2banana; Mercat; stanne; PghBaldy; Raycpa; Lonesome in Massachussets; StAnDeliver; ...

Follow up on the story.

I spent a very frustrating day(about 6 hours) trying to locate the remaining 18 entities that were on the list. Nine are female, three are male and the balance are/were small businesses. I located one male that is deceased. Pretty poor results. I was talking to the private eye that we use at work for back round checks and asked him the best way to research this matter. He was fascinated by the subject and insisted that he look into it for cost. I took him up on it.

He located 5 of the females and and one of the remaining males and one of the heirs of one of the businesses. Most of the females had been married more than once and it makes them harder to find. The one business heir that he found were so moved by the effort that they will be donating the money returned from my relative to a charity of their choice. The “apology” letters from my relative and the checks for the amount(if that was warranted) he felt he owed them are going out in the mail today. I will also be mailing a substantial check with the balance of the funds to a Veterans House in the city where my relative lived.

As a side note it is truly sobering that amount of information available on the net about all of us. The PI has access to databases that I would of had to join and pay a fee to utilize.

Thank you for your thoughts on this matter. I appreciate it.


57 posted on 11/10/2020 10:38:13 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

God bless you bigglee for doing this for your cousin. You’ll see him in the clouds sooner than later.


58 posted on 11/10/2020 10:56:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thanks for the feedback and God bless you...and that “hound from Heaven” private eye.


59 posted on 11/10/2020 11:08:27 AM PST by mdmathis6
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