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To: poconopundit
Order can be modeled. Chaos can not - can only be characterized ... or you can un-particularize the model legos and form a kind of impressionist painting.

While it's true that mankind in general at times operates in part by a set of natural physical and chemical and biochemical principles and a so called 'rational process,' he does it by varying degrees and his highest function - thought - and then the ability to fool himself into believing the many thoughts that blend into beliefs and sequential stories - are the capital T truth ... what you REALLY have is a species best characterized as predictable in some particulars but completely crazy (chaos) when it comes to the big picture - what he arrives at as the capital T truth and then clings to as if the rightness or wrongness of the verity of his story are the equivalent of life and death itself - we are simply wired that way, and we are wired to believe the story our wiring tells us.

(In truth, we are not the 'I' that is pointed to when we use the word 'I', but we believe we are. This is of course a deeper discussion, but the lunacy hinges on it, as does the suffering caused by the lunacy. Garden of Eden and all that :-))

Anyway - Darwin means we don't need to make sense as a primary characteristic, we only need to make ENOUGH sense to create the next generation.

In that way, mankind can be characterized, as a whole, as a random and chaotic mental patient who in very few key areas makes enough sense to navigate the ward long enough to get another mental patient pregnant.

His own very existence makes no sense, that is, the very scope within which he is to try to make sense is senseless. This is not to say there is not holiness in that empty realm of scope. But holiness doesn't necessarily translate into the proper use of that holiness.

I dare you to model/predict the goings on in THAT ward for more than a week or so.

We like to call it 'civilizational structural changes over time,'sometimes we call it 'progress' and maybe to the extent that the species fares better on some levels it's progress, but at the root the species is still insane. I say that with affection.

I think he does get slowly more rational and awake, but boy does he cause himself a lot of suffering and (unpredicatable because it's ultimately random chaos - stream of cognitive associations attached to as 'the truth') drama. I don't here specifically call out the left, which certainly belongs in their own ward for the safety of others - but the whole ball of wax - the species and history called mankind -> it is a free for all violent loony bin characterized by 97% madness and 2.9% percent rational processes where occasionally, slowly, but maybe more and more often, relative beauty and orderly form breaks out, like a hockey game at a brawl.

Model THAT!

29 posted on 09/07/2020 6:16:23 AM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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To: tinyowl

After all these years, I’m experimenting with the conclusion that there is no ONE truth after all.

As modern physics has shown us, it can be a particle or a wave, depending on how it is measured or observed.

In other words, it depends on how it is measured or observed.

I think that this concept is very hard to accept, that two or more truths can be simultaneously correct.(Depending on how the particular thing or philosophy, or whatever is observed)


30 posted on 09/07/2020 7:07:02 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: tinyowl; Liz; GOPJ; V K Lee; Yardstick
I love your philosphical side, tinyowl. It's a great read.

Models exist. To a guy like Trump who knows the "human interface to the world" (Scott Adams), what to do in a particular situation is as true and correct as a martial artist's muscle memory in combat.

Emerson has a passage that speaks to the irrational side of human nature:

So Trump's reign is that flood tide where the forces of Chaos are swept aside to enable farmers, honest bankers, and the solid oak natural forces of civil society to regain some control -- albeit temporary control -- over the free republic.

37 posted on 09/07/2020 11:34:58 AM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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