Posted on 08/30/2020 8:08:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
It only means people who test positive for the virus but 98%+ of those people either aren't sick, had the illness and recovered or are not symptomatic. It's disingenuous to call those people "new" cases.
This whole thing has been misreported and overblown to scare people and to give governors and mayors cover for implementing their drastic measures to stop the virus.
It appears more and more like this was done so some people could profit and to blame Trump for not handling the response in a timely and effective manner.
Everything Fauci advised to do turns out to be the opposite of what should have been done. The mysterious disappearance and demonizing of the inexpensive drug hydroxychloroquine for treatment convinced me that something didn't smell right. The drug has been safely used for 70 years with little or not problems but all of the sudden it's dangerous to take for Covid-19?
We've been duped, gamed and lied to by the government "experts".
Yes. Something we knew all along.
The truth is not allowed in Marxist America (such as CNN).
The CDC said that 6% of the death certificates listed COVID-19 as the only cause of death (COD). Should be 0% as no one dies from having the COVID virus, you die from the effects/symptoms of having the COVID virus (”Comorbidities”)....as listed on most death certificates as “UCOD” (”underlying cause(s) of death”) in addition to the causative COVID-19.
The primary means of COVID-19 death are viral (COVID) pneumonia, ARDS, low blood oxygen levels, blood clots, hypertensive disease, cardiac arrest, etc, etc.....apparently about 6% of doctors/coroners just put “COVID-19” on the death certificate (to be brief/obvious I guess).
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Re: “Could be wrong but I think that the excess deaths chart tells the actual story.”
That should be true, but the CDC appears to be using two sets of books.
Item - the current 2020 CDC “All Deaths” number shows an explosion in pneumonia deaths (+75,000) compared to 2019.
However, at the same time, the CDC has instructed USA doctors to count 100% of pneumonia + COVID-19 deaths as exclusively COVID-19 deaths!
So, where did the 75,000 extra pneumonia deaths come from?
Not from influenza. Not from severe common colds.
The USA is in its typical summer lull for normal respiratory diseases.
COVID-19 is the only respiratory infection that is circulating.
read post 18.
In that case, would you be in favor of re-counting influenza and common cold deaths exactly the same way we now count COVID deaths?
For instance - 100% of pneumonia + COVID deaths are counted as exclusively COVID deaths.
Compare that to influenza + pneumonia deaths. Just 5%-10% of those deaths are counted as exclusively influenza deaths.
GP is consistently clickbait BS... even when they have a point!
saving for later
It can be counted.
There are medical data codes to classify various kinds of substance abuse on death certificates, either as comorbidities or as the Underlying Cause of Death.
My guess is that thousands of fatal ODs have been classified as COVID deaths, but we will not know until we get convenient and free public access to the Death Certificates that the CDC counts.
Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Table 3
Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.
RE: GP is consistently clickbait BS... even when they have a point!
OK, can you tell us which part of their analysis is BS and which part has a point?
Nothing about 6%?
Simple:
100% total(actually overstated by 10% ??)
-94% with co-morbidity
6% without co-morbidity
Covid’s virus CAUSES many of the co-morbidities.
CAUSES.
So it’s stupid clickbait to claim these comorbidities are something else besides a result of the virus.
Lie, lie , lie... for clicks.
Their “point” is that this shows the different metrics for death used across nations.
The kicker??
Average number of co-morbidities? 2.6 (translation? very sick before Covid19)
You cannot discount that.
And the hospitals were paid extreme amount for Covid19 patients, so with or without test many states made everyone with a cough a Corona Virus patient. Look at NY??
Why do you assume covid19 is the primary cause in the remaining 94%.? Look at the other comorbidites. Diabetes,Hypertension,Obesity and advanced age figure heavily in the totals. The same causes that kill in a bad Flu season. Remember 7700 die in the US in normal times every day. People die all the time its no
Then there's this category
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events.
That means suicide, auto accident, gunshot or even falling off a cliff etc are figured in as CV19 deaths if the body tested positive. So by that logic you accept if you OD or drive drunk, plow into a tree and test positive CV19 killed you.
I lived through the Asian Flu in the late 50’s and the Hong Kong flu in the 60’s. I had both and they killed more than CV19 We never did to ourselves what happened with CV19.
Correction: People die all the time its normal
I predict
CoVid will miraculously disappear on Nov. 5th. No masks will be required and no more reported cases will be reported.
I can't find raw data for the 6% number, either.
However, the same paragraph that mentions 6% does link to a Table that verifies the “2.6 comorbidity average.”
“Conditions contributing to deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), by age group and state, United States.”
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Conditions-contributing-to-deaths-involving-corona/hk9y-quqm
The Table is at the bottom of the linked page.
The Table is hard to understand. It took me more than half an hour to figure out how to verify the 2.6 average. I will explain how it works if you struggle with it, too.
Almost no one ever asks the most important question of all...
What percentage of Death Certificates that list COVID as a comorbidity also list COVID as the Underlying Cause of Death (UCOD)?
My own guess - close to 100%, but I have almost no hard data to back that up.
My point?
Compare that to influenza, which is only the UCOD on 5%-10% of Death Certificates after being listed as a comorbidity.
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