Posted on 08/27/2020 5:48:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs
There’s a lot of attention to the shooting of multiple people last night in Kenosha.
Police have arrested 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse and charged him with murder.
Liberals are already off to the races, calling him a “white supremacist” murderer and of course, always blaming President Donald Trump. Of course there is nothing to support this, his background simply suggests he was supportive of the police.
But if you look at the video, there are likely going to be big problems with legally trying to make that stick.
While all the facts are not yet clear, enough facts have come out to suggest that he may have been protecting himself, the question may be was his response a legally proportionate response to the attacks on him.
If you look at the video progression of what happened that we have available, the first video shows Rittenhouse allegedly running into a service station, being chased and attacked, with something being thrown something at him. That first shooting happens, he calls someone, possibly 911 while the Daily Caller’s Richie McGinness tries to give medical aid to the guy who was shot, taking off his shirt to use to staunch the bleeding in his head.
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CNN or MSNBC had someone on that characterized the crowd as trying to apprehend him, like they were doing their civic duty.
He was running TO the police.
Hope you got/et a refund because the fundly campaign is gone now
Cool. Just refollwed her on twitter. I unfollowed back when she was going off on conservativeINC every five minutes.
It was CNN’s Sara Sidner who made that characterization, and clearly was biased as demontrated by her airquotes when she described the armed men as “protecting” the business, and describing the kid as shooting people “at point blank range” with ZERO mention of him being chased by an armed mob, or of the flying jump kick to the head, or being hit with a skateboard while lying on the ground... Further she is demonstrably intentionally inflaming racial hatred and anti-police sentiment with her juxtaposition of a “white man with a huge gun” being passed by by “not one, not two, but three police vehicles” verses Blake who was “not visibly wearing any sort of weapon” but was “shot seven times in the back”.
The .223 would have done a lot more damage.
First - let me start by saying, I don't know if Kyle's .223 was the bullet that struck the guy in the head. I'm just making this response as part of the discussion.
That said, I disagree that a .223/5.56 would have necessarily done more damage. It is possible that the bullet entered the skull and followed the curvature. The brain is surrounded by cerebral spinal fluid, which is mainly water. Water is one of the most effective retardants of bullets. Aside from the CSF, the round still has to go through the brain. It is possible the bullet entered the skull; passed through the CSF; entered the brain; - then ricocheted off, or followed the curvature of, the skull.
We also don't know the type of round that was fired. If it was a hollow point, it is entirely possible the bullet fragmented and didn't exit.
Under any of those circumstances, there would not be an exit wound.
I would wait for an autopsy to make those determinations, but again, I wouldn't discount .223 based on the photos/stills. The .223 is basically a souped up .22 round, and in many (most?) states not even legal for deer hunting because it is not lethal enough.
I tried to ignore your lazy requests of was the kid legal, and when people answered you, you didn't accept what they replied.
If you would have spent 5 minutes looking up the laws of WI regarding guns, you would know the answers.
You have a homepage that is thousands of words and emojis and all sorts of stuff that took more than 5 minutes to compile.
Get off your lazy ass, look up the laws and stop disputing every thing every one tells you.
BTW, you are also not a resident of that state but you can carry a rifle in it {if you are not a felon, but I'm not sure you know where WI is located or could find it}.
You can't help stupidity, but you can help being so damn lazy.
NO YOU STFU and don’t start treating me like your kids... I asked a friggen question...a legit question for a reason and didn’t expect to be belittled for asking a question about legality. Can your 17 yo walk down main street in another town at night with a rifle? States have laws... And if you don’t like my questions, move on and ignore them....jerks.
Same to you
Can’t be certain, but I suspect it’s legal in many states for a 17 year old to carry a rifle on the street. And I’d say it’s *moral* for any citizen regardless of age to do so when defending civil order against roving gangs of violent thugs. Bottom line, at most I think the young man could be charged with something like malicious mischief - that’s probably what they’ll let him plead down to after all the dust settles.
We’re in agreement, actually.
My point is that there is a lot of doubt about what actually happened and adults wait to get the whole story. They certainly don’t protest and riot unless they actually have other motives for doing it.
Thanks for your civil reply...appreciate it.
Yeah, and a Porsche 911 is basically a souped up Volkswagen Beetle. Did you see what that .223 did to the arm of the guy who pulled a Glock on him?
You should probably do an internet search of ".22LR vs .223"
It will be/has been interesting to watch the media fail to control the narrative on this.
I was shocked at how fast so many videos got pulled together.
half of the rioters are taking video, there's probably much more.
A .223 round would have an exit hole; AND, the guy would have died instantly.
Also, I didn't tell you to "STFU"... Although, that might not be a bad idea.
You've been here for 15 years and haven't figured this much out yet? Interesting... And...
Good luck.
My reference to .22 versus .223 was the size. Comparing apples to apples - Put a beetle engine in a Porche 911 and see how fast that Porche goes. Yes, a .223 (with higher grain) will have more muzzle velocity and energy than a .22 (slightly smaller). The .223 will also have more penetrating power. The entry hole on a penetrable target (as in penetrable to both .22 and .223 - i.e. flesh) will be about the same size.
I've spent most of my adult life in the infantry. I have 4 combat tours and used .223 to remove several individuals from this earth (most requiring more than one shot to effectively end the threat). I have a couple dozen of my buddies survive getting shot (including head shots), and I was wounded myself.
I've also had to do body exploitation of individuals shot on the battlefield; i.e. documenting number of shots, condition of the body, examining pocket litter etc before turning them over to civil affairs. I can say unequivocally - .223 does not always exit a human body. Sometimes when .223 does exit the body, the exit holes are not as big as you'd expect; it really all depends - what does it hit, straight on/glancing, how close, etc.
The facts of the matter still remains: - .223 is a small caliber not even legal in many states for hunting deer.
- It is possible for a bullet to enter a skull and not exit.
-An entry hole in a skull from a .223 would not be that big.
-We don't know what type of round used; FMJ, greentip, HP, etc. The type of round effects its impact. An HP round may hit bone (skull) and spread without exiting, that same type of round may hit flesh (arm) and spread taking much of the flesh with it; particularly given an arm is not the large of an area (compared to a torso, quadricep, etc), it is easier remove (vice just making a hole) a chunk.
-Without an autopsy it is impossible to determine what bullet struck the guy in the head; the stills/pictures do not, and cannot rule out .223.
You should probably do more than Internet searches for your info; though you'll find the above are all true.
Well you definitely have more relevant experience than me. My ship fired Tomahawks for Operation Enduring Freedom from the safety of being below the ocean. We did have M-16’s but the only thing we shot with those were boxes with shark mouths drawn on them when we surfaced for swim calls.
That said, you do bring up what I was getting at: grains, muzzle velocity and energy. Sure the .22LR and .223 are the same diameter, but the typical .223 bullet is about 50% heavier, travels at twice the speed and has nearly ten times the energy. I mean, would you say a .50 BMG is “basically a souped up” .50 AE? They’re the same caliber, right?
Anyway, I don’t see that guy’s melon taking a point blank hit from a .223, and the the bullet not blasting out the other side of it. Or if it didn’t blast out, then I don’t see him living long enough to let out all those whimpers after the bullet rolled around inside his cranium.
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