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BREAKING: Unarmed Black Man Shot By Police in Kenosha, WI; (Warning Graphic Video)
https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/witnesses-unarmed-black-man-shot-by-police-in-kenosha-wi/ ^ | 8/23/2020 | evan

Posted on 08/23/2020 6:29:23 PM PDT by wrrock

BREAKING: Witnesses say a Black man in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was tasered and then shot several times by police after he broke up a fight between two women. His condition is unknown. WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO. VIDEO & MAP....

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To: wrrock

Are tasers worth the trouble ?


181 posted on 08/24/2020 4:43:20 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: deek69

And my initial reaction was, what was he reaching for in the car? What did the cop see in there?


182 posted on 08/24/2020 4:48:26 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Someone with low IQ and lack of impulse control


183 posted on 08/24/2020 5:07:37 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: Vermont Lt
You don’t need commies. You have ignorance and jealousy. Wars have been started over a lot less.

What they want is "pay back".

What they will GET is the alienation of the once-sympathetic white community. They think they've seen "systemic racism"? They will soon see how their lives get when white people don't care anymore.

184 posted on 08/24/2020 5:20:43 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: cpdiii

Here when the officer runs you tag it comes back with info including that you are a legal concealed carry if you are. Was stopped years ago coming back from a pistol shotgun match in a speed trap. Young officer shinned the back seat as he approached and saw the range bag and shotgun... and appear nervous as he approached drivers window. I explained about those weapons and he was fine.


185 posted on 08/24/2020 5:38:18 AM PDT by DOC44
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To: Thommas
The 'unarmed' man struggles mightily to enter the vehicle, then the police open up on him.

Struggles mightily? For one second?

186 posted on 08/24/2020 6:53:39 AM PDT by Arones (When Leftists are in a minority, then they look for other ways to win.)
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To: varyouga; null and void
Police on the other hand are selected, trained and evaluated precisely for their cool in such a situation. Or at least they used to be.

The comment from that doctor please about how many fail the mental eval?

187 posted on 08/24/2020 8:59:49 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: wastedyears
Dr. Clarissa Cole on After Hours AM April 17, 2019

(Start at 1:18:31)

Dr. Cole: He had an epiphany; he was going to become a cop!

Eric Olsen: Ha ha ha what??? Uh, so, wait a minute, he was told by a former employer, if you ever, you better never get a job where you have influence over others, an authority position, or I’ll do whatever it takes to stop you. So wouldn’t becoming a cop kinda give him the ultimate authority over people?

Dr. Cole: Well, you know, lucky for all these other people, he kept moving from county to county so they weren’t really, uh, yeah, it is the ultimate authority he was just moving around so people wouldn’t know what he was doing, and I think getting out of the teaching profession they didn’t know what he was going to do.

He eventually applied to the Broward County Police Unit; he was rejected, though, because he failed the psychological test.

Eric Olsen: Oh that’s it he’s out of the career. No career for him He’s obviously unstable…

Dr. Cole: One, you know what? One would think so, and I actually used to perform these psych tests, and oh, do I have stories! You would think that it would even, it’s supposed to, let me tell you how it’s supposed to work, it’s supposed to prevent you from getting a job as a police officer or a prison guard.

Eric Olsen: Sure.

Dr. Cole: Does that always occur?

Eric Olsen: I would hope that it does.

Dr. Cole: No, no, no, I would say 50% of the time.

Eric Olsen: What?

Dr. Cole: It’s supposed to be a be a requirement, a REQUIREMENT, if you don’t pass, if you are not psychologically fit, you are not supposed to become a police officer or a prison guard. Does that actually preclude you from becoming a police officer even as long ago as what, 2005? No, I was doing them in 2005. Half of the people I rejected still became a cop.

Eric Olsen: How does that happen? How do they get around this?

Dr. Cole: Oh God there so many ways

Eric Olsen: Is it a buddy, a dad?

Dr. Cole: My son, he’s the son of my buddy, his dad is a cop, he has to be a cop, he’s going to work in this county and we’re really understaffed, we need people, we know he failed, but it’s OK. The amount of excuses I heard to employ people.

And that’s the thing, just so the general public is aware, it’s difficult to fail, it’s difficult to fail one of these psychological…

Eric Olsen: What would cause one…

Dr. Cole: It’s not like the bar is so darned high that no one could pass, it’s nothing LIKE that, this test is just to find out is this person basically psychologically stable, are they non-sadistic, do they not have criminal or punishing tendencies or narcissistic tendencies themselves. Basically you’re trying to weed out anybody that has a like God complex; I’m judge, jury, and executioner. You want to get those people out of there. You’re trying to get people out of there that are just psychiatrically so unstable that they can’t control their emotions so, maybe some sort of bipolar thing going on or somebody that absolutely clearly has a personality disorder, like narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder. They are not

Eric Olsen: Checks and balances. Checks and balances to protect the general public from somebody that would not do well in that position.

Dr. Cole: And I was very, yeah, I was extremely, forgiving on these psychological tests even when somebody would sort of hit sort of some of those marks on the tests we would give, I would ask in interviews I would ask a ton of questions just to be very, very sure that this person was indeed failing the psychological exam, and I did not fail that many people, but the people I failed, please believe me that it was for extremely good reasons, extremely good reasons, and half of them became cops anyway.

Eric Olsen: So when they‘d leave would they go to a different state and do it?

Dr. Cole: Hah no, they would get hired by different a county, like a couple minutes over usually. Somebody knew them and “Now let’s pick them up.” “No, no, no, he has really strong sadistic tendencies and fantasies of rape and murder, you really shouldn’t hire him” and they would. And that’s exactly, I hope it’s different that was like I said, this was in 2005, it scared the heck out of me and I said I would never have a career doing that I don’t want to know that those people are becoming officers.

Eric Olsen: Tell me it’s in the minority, though, that this happens.

Dr. Cole: It’s in the minority that people fail, the majority of people passed. But those that do fail, like I said it’s for very good reason, but half of them. Half of them got picked up. So no, it’s not a minority a full 50% got hired.

Eric Olsen: That is truly a scary number out there that 50% of...

Dr. Cole: It’s a small sample, a small sample that was in a place that was economically depressed and needed officers…

(End at 1:23:29)

188 posted on 08/24/2020 9:54:59 AM PDT by null and void (The Left weaponizes everything in the service of tyranny.)
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To: wastedyears

Thanks.

I don’t know if that’s the case here, but I do know NO ONE will ask!


189 posted on 08/24/2020 9:58:43 AM PDT by null and void (The Left weaponizes everything in the service of tyranny.)
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To: eastforker
We have pocket phones more powerful than the computers that sent men to the moon. We have lasers that can shoot rockets out of the sky, we should be able to develop weapons than can immediately disable suspects instead of lethal force.

And yet those computers still manage to brick or run slow. Those lasers are super expensive, limited, and require lots of power. Neither of those is perfect or at max capability.

Likewise, currently the most effective personal immediate-use stun weapon is a taser. It is the best development yet for a weapon that can disable suspects without lethal force. The only way to really make it batter is like some kind of stun gun from a sci-fi movie, but we don't have personal spaceships, teleporters, or commonplace laser weapons yet either.
190 posted on 08/24/2020 5:54:35 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Captain Walker
How about a nightstick? Cops have carried them for years.

Or a collapsible baton.


Neither of which is guaranteed one-hit knockouts (highly unlikely in fact), and both have much potential to do serious damage, breaking bones or maiming or killing someone. Tasers do some as well, but it's not very likely except for people with certain conditions. OP was wanting something that is much more quick and effective than beating someone with sticks.
191 posted on 08/24/2020 5:56:44 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
The stick wouldn't be used to strike someone in the head, but in the arms or legs.

If this guy had been struck in the leg once or twice on the way to the driver's side door of the vehicle, he would have fallen to the ground; they could have cuffed him there.

This was SOP for, well, a couple of centuries. As has been pointed out, the Rodney King affair basically led to the retirement of the baton.

They just never replaced it with something equally reliable, so instead of striking a guy and knocking him to the ground, the cop has to shoot him instead.

192 posted on 08/24/2020 6:54:22 PM PDT by Captain Walker
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To: Captain Walker
They just never replaced it with something equally reliable, so instead of striking a guy and knocking him to the ground, the cop has to shoot him instead.

Some cops are still assigned batons, but I think it's more as part of a riot gear package, not a regular issuance.

But, it's still not the one-hit guaranteed stun/knockout that the poster I was originally responding to was looking for.
193 posted on 08/26/2020 6:19:30 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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