Posted on 05/06/2020 11:10:55 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat
The prof and/or the prof’s TAs can’t be bother to tutor over the phone or on Skype?!
Anyone paying $50,000 a year for college is wasting money, period.
The room and board should be a no-brainer refund. If the college is delaying repaying it they are as crooked as airlines or Ticketmaster refusing refunds.
One problem for the colleges is that students might start asking "Why am I taking this class or even all my classes at Local State U instead of picking and choosing the best course in the world for each subject? Why take my physics class from the local professor who is resentful having to waste his time teaching an undergrad class or the PhD student actually teaching it when you can get the modern equivalent of Richard Feynman?" This might shatter the current university system.
My Calculus III course did the same, and I agree with every one of your statements. The only thing that saved my butt was that I found a really good on-line professor.
Your comment is not correct - they are not learning time tables. You overlooked that this is university.
George Washington U jacked up tuition to make itself looked more exclusive. It was able to attract dumb rich kids. It has a 42% acceptance rate comparable to University of Maryland. The stupid parent was already paying for a overpriced “education”.
I know it is a university class. However even calculus and trig is easier to learn when you do examples in class, have examples shown to you and get feedback from an instructor. I may have only gotten as far as conic sections but even then reading the textbook was a waste of time compared to having a lecture.
I concur. I'm currently taking online classes for seminary. The professor has a 10-15 mn lecture uploaded but we are responsible for readings. We are tested every week.
A paper is required. Weekly posts are required.
It does take more time than the typical in person class where the professor lectures for an hour.
The tradeoffs though are:
I can take the exams pretty much when I want to within a certain window.
I can listen to the lecture as many times as I want to.
I can post when I want to.
Online classes do require more discipline than in person classes.
“Heck, I mostly hung out at the frat house. It’s part of life. Even military schools have hangouts to lighten the stress. C’mon..”
The occasional party for stress relief is no big deal to me. Even Peyton Manning stayed in school his fourth year for the full “college experience”. IOW...parties, girls and glory.
Parties and a vibrant social life are a more recent development in the history of humanity. For the average student anyway.
The students of today seem so entitled to their version of life. They don’t understand reality at all. Reality is hard work mentally and physically. IDK, maybe that has been a college thing all along.
I see more ads every year for colleges offering on-line courses. The first to extensively advertise in my area was Southern New Hampshire University. A more recent one has been Grand Canyon college or something like that.
Locally Liberty University has run out of room to grow and is betting big on on-line courses.
Maybe the Wu-flu will do us all a favor and kill secondary education as it is currently being practiced.
If more courses are on-line maybe the “studies” departments will dry up and blow away?
The issue is, no weed at home, no kegs at home, no random sex at home, no constant communist indoctrination at home - why pay $65 000 for that?
“Online classes do require more discipline than in person classes.”
This may be the crux of the matter.
Purely anecdotal but the average college student seems pretty lazy and out of touch with reality.
Poor babies didn’t think college was supposed to be so hard!
Then mom and dad looking over their shoulders and seeing what is actually being taught might be a factor too.
Not true. When I was in college I took all 3 of my algebra classes, beginning, intermediate and advanced, in ‘labs’. No professor. You had to do so many hours a week in the lab but it was actually just a place to do the work. There were aides available if you needed one. You could go as fast as you wanted but had to take a test a week in the lab. The books we used were great with oodles of examples and work pages. I wasn’t bored out of my mind and passed all 3 classes in about 3/4 of the semester.
We can only hope. But I suspect they will "occupy" the ruins.
“If more courses are on-line maybe the “studies” departments will dry up and blow away?”
Why’s that? It just as easy to run a fake course of indoctrination online as it is in person. This actually affect the real sciences more, hard to do lab work online.
“Why’s that? It just as easy to run a fake course of indoctrination online as it is in person. This actually affect the real sciences more, hard to do lab work online.”
I had wondered about the labs for the hard sciences. Hard to do that on-line. Maybe some kind of agreements with local community colleges?
As far as the fake courses if the work is harder maybe kids won’t want to put that kind of time and effort into them.
If they are on-line it is more likely the students are living at home and mom and dad might be looking at what the kids are studying and may guide little Johnny and Susan into something that can actually pay for itself.
One can hope.
“We can only hope. But I suspect they will “occupy” the ruins.”
This is where government needs to get out of the way. No government backed loans for anything outside of the hard sciences.
You want to major in 16th century literature? Fine, finance it yourself!
Want a degree in womyns studies? Finance it yourself!
Want a degree in engineering, physics, biology, etc? Lets talk.
On the other hand, 90% of the classes they teach now are useless, even if you are in the class.
My son is doing engineering, and those online classes are testing actual knowledge, but his other classes are just stupid paperwork exercises.
The important thing is to get the degree, nobody really cares how you did in bowling or international studies.
I wish someone would start a class action lawsuit for local school tax payors. The schools have been closed for 1/3 of the year.
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