Posted on 03/29/2020 10:58:40 AM PDT by Widget Jr
Yeah, and in the meantime he doesn't want doctors to prescribe the cocktain that has proven results in recent weeks (1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days 2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days 3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days)
I thought the creed was "First do no harm". It isn't "Do nothing". If there is no harm prescribing these drugs to people that contract the virus, I would serious question the motives of the doctor that doesn't. Politics suck.
We know that the Trump pills work to some extent and we know that they might not be the treatment of choice for everyone, including those with heart conditions.
My thought would be is to use the Trump pills for those that will benefit until other treatments come on line. As for patients that the Trump pills may be dangerous? Use carefully unless other treatments options are available.
I thought the Shanghai study used other antivirals as the control, not a placebo.
Just read this summary sentence from the article you posted:
"But a second study emerged last week from Shanghai University in China of 30 patients hospitalized for Covid-19. Whether patients received hydroxychloroquine or not, their body temperature returned to normal a day after hospitalization, and the time it took for levels of the virus to become undetectable was comparable. Unlike the study from France, the patients in this study were randomly assigned to either hydroxychloroquine or the control group, which makes the results more reliable."
That should make you wonder. Why did the patients in the study get better nearly instantly, regardless of treatment?
If you read the study, you would see that the patients in the study all got better within a couple of days, even without treatment. In fact, they were either already cured, or nearly so. In essence the Chinese "study", if it is even real, took patients who were essentially cured anyway, gave them medicine, and then noted that the medicine had little effect on their progress - exactly as one would expect for any test administered to patients who at that point at least, didn't need the medicine.
There is no published evidence anywhere that COVID-19 patients are cured in a median of 2 days after diagnosis. But that is exactly what the Chinese research team found for their control group. And the range included 1 day.
"The median duration from hospitalization to virus nucleic acid negative conservation was 4 (1-9) days in HCQ group, which is comparable to that in the control group 2 (1-4) days..."
But no one is reporting that hospitalized COVID-19 patients are recovered and virus free within a median time of 2 days, with some recovering in 1 day, and the longest recovering in 4 days. The patients in the control group had already recovered from the virus. Similarly, the treated patients, except for the 9 day patient, recovered in a median time of 4 days, with one of the patients recovering in one day.
The Chinese paper cited in the article, if it is even real, has an idiotic experimental design. The big question for you, and everyone else hyping it is why is there such a big effort to undercut the research showing hydroxychloroquine does work. So why are you doing that?
Some Lupus patients have taken it daily for years.
So lets find out. Field trials, now.
No other medical group is reporting that untreated COVID-19 patients get better in a couple of days. The patients in the "study" must have already been almost cured.
This story misses the point.
It’s not hydrocloroquine alone. It’s a combo therapy.
Trial after trial says it does work. Only the stupid woman Governor of Michigan is fighting against it because President Trump mentioned it. Oh did I say she is a democrat?
My doc has been giving it to his COVID patients - he said they have been having the same good results
That may be anti-virals or just about anything you can imagine. Perhaps someone who reads Chinese can read the rest of the study and report back to us.
Regardless of what the control group received, they were nearly cured at the start of the study since they had a median time to no virus present of 2 days, with the longest being 4 days. So they were effectively cured in a median time of 2 days, far less than any reported total times for clearing the COVID-19 infection from onset to resolution.
The control group, if the study is real at all, were people who were already cured, and about to be released.
Chinese disinformation.
Brought to you by the lying liars of the lying Chinese government, who have been lying about this since November or before.
Gotta pay the vig...
The 1 thing we do know is it does work on Malaria, my Dad caught it in the Philippines. When a flare up happened it is what was given. It’s been used off label on Lupus, just as Plaquenil. From the side effects alone I’d have to say it is better than Plaquenil which is very rough on the Lungs. Trashed my niece’s.
Just don’t use Ibuprofen, doesn’t mix well with it..
I’ve been on an NSAID for a month after cataract surgery. It just ended yesterday. I’ve been really good about staying in because of that. I’m gonna look to see how long it stays in your syste.
Doctors talk to each other. They are prescribing this because it works. The successes are anecdotal - hundreds and hundreds of successful recovery anecdotes. That is how medicine was practiced before the FDA. Based on what is known right now, I would consider it an actionable malpractice to deny this option to a patient.
“A few non-clinical trials, doctors using medications on their own, and andanecdotal evidence are not proofs any one cure really works.”
check out these 140 (at the moment) papers published in 2020 regarding treating C-19 with hyroxychorolquine + azithromycin ... how many more studies and papers would you like?
A more important question is: if you or yours fell deathly ill with C-19, would you want those drugs to be tried?
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