What if hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work? What if it does? Right now, we don’t know

STAT ^ | March 27, 2020 | Matthew Herper

[Ancesthntr]

The zinc is the reason why the hydroxychloroquine works. It lets zinc into the cells, where it stops the replication of the virus. Supplemental zinc makes certain that your body has enough to work with (because sick people usually don’t eat much).

[tallyhoe]

Dr. Farce is a nut job!

[Database]

I followed up a bit and found the report on the study. If I read it correctly, chloroquine was added to conventional treatment (including antivirals) in the test group and the control got conventional (including antivirials).

Here is a link to a google translation of what I found.

[Ancesthntr]

FYI, my mother has cardiac affib, which can be induced by hydroxychloroquine. But she also has RA, and hydroxychloroquine is an approved medication for it. She has been taking hydroxychloroquine for 5 years, with no ill effects. Taking it for 5 days isn’t going to do anything bad to 999,999 out of a million people, and if it induces affib, there are MANY treatments for it.

I will DEMAND hydroxychloroquine, zinc and a z-lack if I get this virus, and ditto for my family. This is practical medicine, even if some multi-year study aimed at developing a multi-billion dollar blockbuster drug has to proven it, and even if Dems desperate to tank the economy don’t like that Orange Man Bad likes the effects that hydroxychloroquine has.

[abigkahuna]

Since we know there is potential for affib reactions, I am thinking that taking some metoprolol will mitigate that reaction. It is an issue for moi. Don’t have Affib, but SVT, which is AFib in a different location of the heart.

[Ancesthntr]

“Some Lupus patients have taken it daily for years.”
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Ditto for arthritis patients, including my mother, who has taken it for 5 years with no ill effects.

[freeandfreezing]

Machine based translations are sometimes hard to interpret, but it seems like the control group also included treatment with a variety of medications:

"The subjects were randomly assigned to the experimental group and the control group at a ratio of 1:

1. The test group received conventional treatment plus oral hydroxyl sulfate Chloroquine 400 mg once daily for 5 days; the control group received routine treatment only, including bed rest, oxygen inhalation, symptomatic support Sustained treatment, using antiviral drugs such as interferon alpha nebulization, oral lopinavir / ritonavir recommended in the "diagnosis and treatment plan" (Creature), etc., if necessary, give antibacterial drugs.

[Ancesthntr]

Great movie...I do believe that I will watch it again (plenty of time on my hands for some reason).

[absalom01]

Yup, that’s what he says, too. Dr. Raoult claims to have had the same success with just the first two though. Time will tell.

I’ve been a zinc supplement fan for years, myself, and I believe it works.

[P.O.E.]

So far my experiment with gin & tonic is showing results. Just wish I could remember them.

[HollyB]

I don’t think it’s the intubators as much as the state of health one is in when needing it.

[freeandfreezing]

Thanks for running the machine translation. It looks like the Shanghai study was comparing the existing Chinese mix of anti-virals with that same mix with hydroxychloroquine added among a group of patients who were about to get better, or for all practical purposes were cured.

"All subjects were screened on the day of admission, randomized. Start treatment (including antiviral treatment). General demographic data, clinical manifestations, laboratory test results of the two groups at the time of enrollment.

There were no statistically significant differences in chest CT findings (Table 1).

All patients received alpha interferon nebulization, while Twelve (80.0%) patients in the experimental group received Abidol; 10 (66.7%) patients in the control group received Abidol. Two patients (13.3%) received lopinavir / ritonavir

Arbidol is Umifenovir, a Russian developed anti-viral medication.

So the control group and the test group both received a cocktail of anti-virals.

The study really shows, if anything, that adding hydroxychloroquine to the anti-viral treatment cocktail doesn't add much. That is not surprising since the patients were just about cured anyway.

[moovova]

"But a second study emerged last week from Shanghai University in China of 30 patients hospitalized for Covid-19. Whether patients received hydroxychloroquine or not, their body temperature returned to normal a day after hospitalization..."

"From China? Then, obviously, that's a fact, Jack!"

[Wonder Warthog]

"We’ve been hearing about this treatment for almost two weeks. You would think we would know something by now."

We know it works. What you are seeing is the results of an anti HCQ/antiTrump FUD campaign, including a bunch of FUD-Trolls on FR. I've been on FR for a LONG time, and most of these posters I've never heard of before, yet suddenly, they are all over the place with anti-HCQ articles and commentary.

[William Tell]

"Took the Hydroxychloroquine and was fine in 2 days "

Did your brother take azithromycin also? I seem to recall that the reported 100% cure rate from the French study was for the group that did take both drugs.

[grey_whiskers]

From TheDonald.win (not mine):

Novartis CEO: “[HCQ] destroys the virus in animal testing” https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/novartis-ceo-says-malaria-drug-072752054.html

India officially recommends HCQ as a preventative for health care workers and people with confirmed family members. https://mobile.twitter.com/brithume/status/1243695604938801153

NYC critical care physician taking HCQ as a preventative. https://mobile.twitter.com/brithume/status/1243695604938801153

French government reverses earlier ban on hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID19 patients in light of successful clinical studies showing significant efficacy against the virus. Hydroxychloroquine may now be prescribed to treat COVID-19 in France https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768

95 year old woman afflicted with Corona Virus who refused intubation recovered fully after treatment with HCQ and Zpack. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-swiss-survivor-idUSKBN21E2OW

HCQ and Zpack showed success in 80 person trial. All recovered within 6 days which is significantly better than control besides one in ICU and one dead 86 year old who already had a late stage of the illness. Considering the small amount of people over 80 in the population this data, while small, implies a very small mortality rate. The Dr, Dr. Rauolt, is one of the most cited epidemiologists in the world. https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-cure-new-results-french-study-shows-combination-hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil-azithromycin-successfully-treated-80-coronavirus-patients-significant-dr/

Dr. Zelenko, NY physician, treats 699 people with HCQ, only 4 hospitalized, zero intubated, all recovered. https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/489810-poll-nearly-90-percent-say-they-are-practicing-social 90% of americans say they are practicing social distancing as much as possible. We can infer they are following other guide lines as well

(Reposted due to me editing it slightly)

[grey_whiskers]

Haseltine is an open globalist.

[Jayster]

“ Some Lupus patients have taken it daily for years.”

His wife has Lupus and already had it in the house readily available

[Jayster]

“ Did your brother take azithromycin also?”

He told me that he had the Z Pack but never took it.

It is my understanding that the other drug(Z pack) is for the 2ndary pneumonia

[wardaddy]

Indeed

Short rope