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1 posted on 05/23/2019 6:11:27 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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So art schools go down before diversity degrees, interesting.


2 posted on 05/23/2019 6:14:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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The “toxic” perception that their graduates are qualified for nothing and have been bankrupted by their education?

The world needs more of such candid “toxicity”.


3 posted on 05/23/2019 6:15:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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This is the second article I’ve seen today on the phenomenon of the destruction of establishment academic art education. The first was on the Remodernization site.


4 posted on 05/23/2019 6:15:20 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("In a Time of Universal Deceit Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act" - George Orwell)
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It’s too bad because unlike, say, the art of acting, drawing and painting CAN be taught. It’s techniques are very easy to understand and if you have talent you can progress. I took life study for years and learned a great deal about anatomy. In England, great art schools like the Slade have an apprentice system.

Also, courses in art history will teach you world history on a grand scale. Although memorizing 400 photos of Doric columns was not to my taste.


5 posted on 05/23/2019 6:17:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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so it’s not enough to hate Trump to make it as an artist?


6 posted on 05/23/2019 6:19:55 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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Political art from a left-wing perspective


7 posted on 05/23/2019 6:21:31 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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When I was at college, I heard the art students referred to as seeking an “Mrs.” degree; the overwhelming majority of them were female. This characterization was used in hushed tones by my classmates in the engineering school, even forty years ago we knew what political correctness was.


9 posted on 05/23/2019 6:24:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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Psy Majors have the same future as Art Majors.


11 posted on 05/23/2019 6:25:42 AM PDT by Zathras
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Only 10% of arts graduates are able to earn a living as working artists?

The economy can only accommodate a certain number of artists. It seems that too many are studying art . There aren’t enough jobs in that field to accommodate the numbers who want to study art.

It’s just how the economy works. I’m sure the same could be found among those who major in philosophy or English or gender studies programs.

Anyone who wants to major in art in college needs to know their job prospects aren’t good.


13 posted on 05/23/2019 6:37:06 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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“...the Maine College of Art claims that its graduates “hybridize a range of conceptual themes and material approaches as they relate to visual culture, the political landscape and to contemporary art practice.”

When I was teaching freshmen in a commuter school this wouldn’t pass as cohesive thought. This is pure smoke and mirrors to say something without moving your lips. Total bull shit!


15 posted on 05/23/2019 6:40:45 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Read and learn and enjoy.

(Juliette Aristides On TRAC With the Atelier Movement)

(Classical Realism)

(The Epoch Times)

17 posted on 05/23/2019 7:03:22 AM PDT by yoe
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But, but, but...Obama wanted us to have less employment so we could explore our artistic side and finger paint and stuff.


19 posted on 05/23/2019 7:11:20 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist.I'm white.Does that mean I'm racist?)
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Not just art degrees...


21 posted on 05/23/2019 7:17:07 AM PDT by Bon mots
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If my travels around the interwebz are any indication, this is all you need to be a successful artist these days.

https://www.amazon.com/Draw-Furries-Anthropomorphic-Fantasy-Animals/dp/1600614175

22 posted on 05/23/2019 7:37:24 AM PDT by CtBigPat (Qanon - Please be real...)
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In my few courses in art school, I realized the teachers were not interested in teaching drawing or sculpting. They were there just to fill in their time “teaching” modernistic “art”. “Do this, do that.” then they would go to the lounge for an hour or so, leaving the students to try and figure what they were supposed to do.

I looked around at the students, and realized most of them were there to learn HOW TO DRAW, compose pictures, paint. Not modernistic crap.

I did better with a mail-in illustrator’s course, and Walter Foster books.


23 posted on 05/23/2019 7:53:46 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing art as an exercise in pure self-expression.

As long as you don't expect to make a living at it.

if you do hope to make a living in the arts, however, it's best to master a skill for which others are willing to pay.

The real culprits here are arts schools that are defrauding their students.

24 posted on 05/23/2019 8:30:50 AM PDT by sphinx
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Of an estimated 2 million arts graduates, only 10 percent make a living as working artists.

Maybe there should be something similar to a 'truth in lending' statement when kids pick their majors...

25 posted on 05/23/2019 8:36:14 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC bimbos stand WITH illegals against Americans and WITH China against our companies.)
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“But creativity does not lie in self-indulgence. Creativity grows from mastering a domain. True creativity is born after skills become second-nature, not before. “

This is true of almost all things. This is why “new math” doesn’t work very well. It spends way too much time on why and not much on how.

I spent 35 years teaching financial accounting, among other things. The only approach that worked with the vast majority of students was to practice the mechanical functions of debit, credit, and financial statement preparation until it was automatic. Only then did something go “ding” in their heads and the understanding of “why” developed. No amount of explaining the “why” would work with students who had no concept of accounts receivable or the difference between capital and cash.

Of course, there are the few students who get the “ding” almost immediately, but they are the exception. Humans learn by mastering skills first and then understanding the “why” later. That is true of art, music, math, history, accounting, plumbing and pretty much anything else you might want to become expert doing.


33 posted on 05/23/2019 9:29:08 AM PDT by FXRP (Just me and the pygmy pony)
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The point in this forum is correct. An art degree is considered a soft program with limited worth in terms of job opportunities and pay. I was lucky I didn’t have a formal art education until it was a personal achievement.
When I retired from the air force I won a job that had been posted for a PHD level. My unique resume stressed my accomplishments with no degree.


34 posted on 05/23/2019 12:32:09 PM PDT by hdstmf (first)
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Artrenewal.org is one of the supporters of the atelier movement and is dedicated to realistic art. You can join and be a member of the NRA to. It’s legal.

They have one of the largest online art collections in the world. A very worthwhile organization that is very active with shows and seminars and instructional materials.

Join now.


35 posted on 05/23/2019 1:35:15 PM PDT by buffaloguy (MSM: Wind up dolls of the DNC.)
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