.410 Revolvers - which is better the S&W Governor or Taurus Judge?

Am Shooting Journal ^ | 11/14/2018 | C Cocoles

[w1n1]

The general thinking for self-defense is who would want a .410 when a 12 gauge is available. There was a time, I never considered the .410 for this purpose.
Sometime later, I ran into an old timer and the subject of guns came up. I told him I keep a Mini M-14 in the truck for survival.
He quickly added that I should also carry a .410 because it has some punch.
Not quite sure of the old timer comments, but I am aware that Taurus and S&W makes some good firearms.
It was worth looking at the Judge and Governor since its reputation stated that the revolver would be able to clear a would-be carjacker head from your car window.
These top 2 hand cannons S&W Governor, Taurus Judge are quite popular these days.
Ammunition have come a long ways in development, nowadays there are some great loads available for self-defense.

Here's a test that pitted both of these hand cannons with man-stopper cartridges.
What are good man-stopper .410 cartridges for self-defense?

Federal Premium 2.5 inch, 000 buckshot (4 pellets) with an average muzzle velocity of 850 fps.
Remington Express XLR 2.5-inch one-half-ounce No. 6 shot with an average muzzle velocity of 1250 fps.
Winchester PDX1 Defender 2.5-inch loads contains 3 plated defense discs and 12 plated BBs with an average muzzle velocity of 750 fps. Read the rest of this test on .410 revolvers.

[Roccus]

Rather than a snarky retort, let me suggest you try one.
The .410 shell will give you a jolt, but it doesn’t seem much different than the .45 Colt it can also use.

[null and void]

Never heard of it.

I made it up based on the fictional 5.56 mm Cherry PIE round in World War Z. It's a round designed to take out zombies, PIE stands for Pyrotechnically Initiated Explosive, according to one of the soldiers.

It has a small explosive and an incendiary component designed to scramble a Zed's brains, instantly stopping the immediate threat with an incendiary component to sterilize the shreds to reduce the danger of spreading infection.

[null and void]

I have two “regular” .410 shells, two PDX1 Defenders, followed by two Colt 45’s.

That's called a Dutch load. Hard to get or imagine a better load mix to address a target that goes from an in the open attack to light cover to heavier cover. Excellent choice.

[Big Red Badger]

Also,
12 Monkeys and
Cold Mountain.

Thanks!
Any other movies showing the
LeMat?

[Big Red Badger]

Beautiful LeMat!

[Yo-Yo]

That photo appears to be a genuine LeMat, as you can see the percussion cap nipples at the back of the cylinder.

However, later in the series, The Man in Black is shown reloading his LeMat, and it is clearly a reproduction that uses cartridges, not black power cap and ball:

[Big Red Badger]

They are a Delicate pistol,
An American designer might
See a more Robust version.

[schurmann]

“...The LeMat. How many movies has That Pistol been in?” [Big Red Badger, post 12]

“That photo appears to be a genuine LeMat, as you can see the percussion cap nipples at the back of the cylinder...” [Yo-Yo, post 26]

Many thanks to Yo-Yo for the sharp close-up of Ed Harris and his character’s LeMat.

Another LeMat appeared near the end of the 2015 film “Forsaken,” starring Kiefer Sutherland, Donald Sutherland, Demi Moore, and Brian Cox. Kiefer’s character discards it at the end of the final gunfight scene, in favor of a Colt Single Action, asserting the heavier LeMat would unfairly disadvantage him in a quick-draw confrontation.

The first image Yo-Yo posted probably doesn’t show a pure percussion LeMat: the heavy line in the cylinder wall, just forward of the nipple partitions, gives it away. The rear face of the cylinder is actually a plate containing individual firing pins, which take the place of cap nipples and are hit by the hammer. In the second photo, the plate has been removed and viewers can watch the chambers being loaded with cartridges.

Conversion of percussion revolvers to take self-contained metallic cartridges dates back to the end of the percussion era; manufacturers had gotten stuck with large stocks of unsold percussion guns, and devised a number of conversions that would increase sales of the obsolescent sidearms. Colt’s and Remington designed and made their own versions; aftermarket modifications were widely undertaken, including some by backwoods and frontier gunsmiths.

Modern-made conversions for replica cap-and-ball revolvers have been offered by a number of accessory makers, and the models available have been increasing. Some drop in.

Replica LeMat revolvers have been sold for 20 years at least. Fascinating, but pricey.

Filmmakers do not like true percussion guns for props, and will go to great lengths to avoid using them. They are slow to load, difficult to check for load status, and cannot be unloaded easily. Adds up to safety risks, which film crews prefer to avoid.

This does introduce historical inaccuracies, but film crews minimize them by skipping closeups and the like. In his film “Pale Rider,” Clint Eastwood used cartridge-converted Remingtons, which look a great deal like pure percussion revolvers. He can be seen swapping out an emptied cylinder for a loaded one.

Modern replica revolvers are not terribly strong. If any forum members decide to use a cartridge-conversion cylinder in their cap-and-ball replica, it is strongly advised that they fire only low pressure rounds, like those for cowboy action shooting. No high-velocity nor plus-P stuff.

[sarge83]

If I were carrying one it would be with one round of .000 buck .410 for a snake encounter and the rest would be .45 Long Colt in JHP for two legged or four legged beast.

For a truck/car rifle I have an old Norinco SKS rifle in a zipped case with five stripper clips loaded and ten rounds in the magazine, but the chamber clear. It fires the AK round which is a proven man stopper.

[Chode]

Bruce Willis

| [[LeMat Revolver]] || James Cole || ''[[Twelve Monkeys]]'' || || 1995

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• Peter Stormare
  ...inger || ''[[Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters]]'' || Non-firing replica of [[LeMat Revolver]] || 2013
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• Firefly
  ==LeMat Revolver== ...lso carries a custom sidearm, which is a visually modified single-action [[LeMat Revolver]].
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• Punisher, The (2004)
  [[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. keeps his two custom M1911A1 pisto ==LeMat 1861==
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• Adam Baldwin
  | [[LeMat Revolver]] || rowspan=12|Jayne Cobb || rowspan=12|''[[Firefly]]''|| rowspan
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• Kiefer Sutherland
  | [[LeMat 1861]] || John Henry Clayton || ''[[Forsaken (2015)|Forsaken]]'' || || 20
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• Tremors 4: The Legend Begins
  There's a [[LeMat Revolver]] hanging on that rack, also a [[Smith & Wesson Safety Hammerless|
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• Quick and the Dead, The (1995)
  ==LeMat 1861== Gutzon ([[Sven-Ole Thorsen]]) keeps a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] revolver, which he is seen loading up for his duel with The Kid. He
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• Colt 1851 Navy
  | [[Assassin's Creed Syndicate]] || Bullseye Revolver || Hybrid with [[LeMat Revolver]] || 2011
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• Ed Harris
  [[File:Westworld lemat 04.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ed Harris holds a custom [[LeMat Revolver]] as the Man in Black in ''[[Westworld (2016 TV Series)|Westworld] | [[LeMat Revolver]] || The Man in Black || ''[[Westworld (2016 TV Series)|Westworld
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• LeMat Revolver
  [[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction (Cavalry version) - .36 or .44 caliber.]] ...volver BP pietta.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Beautiful Black Powder Reproduction LeMat 1861, made by Pietta of Italy - chambered in .44 cal with 20 Gauge center.]
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• Wild Wild West
  :Customized [[LeMat Revolver]] fitted with what appears to be a scope, an adjustable shoulder s ... revolver with a gold-washed cylinder and fitted with a scope. - Below the LeMat.
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• R. Lee Ermey
  | [[LeMat 1861]] || Himself || ''[[Mail Call]]'' || || 2002-2009
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• Jude Law
  | [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] || W.P. Inman || ''[[Cold Mountain]]'' |||| 2003
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• John Malkovich
  | [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861 Revolver]] || Quentin Turnbull || ''[[Jonah Hex]]'' || || 2010
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• Mail Call
  ==LeMat 1861== Shown as the preferred weapon of Cavalry riders is the [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] revolver. This is likely because it fired nine rounds plus a shotgun
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• Twelve Monkeys
  == LeMat Revolver == Jose ([[Jon Seda]]) gives this [[LeMat Revolver]] to James Cole ([[Bruce Willis]]) at the airport.
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• William Sadler
  ...heteK 404.jpg|thumb|right|400px|William Sadler as Sheriff Doakes holds a [[LeMat 1861]] in ''[[Machete Kills]]''.]] | [[LeMat 1861]] || Sheriff Doakes || ''[[Machete Kills]]'' || || 2013
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• Danny Huston
  | [[LeMat Revolver]] || The Colonel || ''[[The Warrior's Way]]'' || || 2010
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• Sven-Ole Thorsen
  | [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] || Gutzon || ''[[The Quick and the Dead]]'' || || 1995
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[Big Red Badger]

That is Amazing!
Thanks!
The LeMat must have
the “It” factor in
Regards to pistols,
the “It” being,,,?

[Chode]

uniqueness

[Chode]

Variants
Muzzle Loader – The first variant of the LeMat.[8]
Pinfire Cartridge – Second variant, can be recognised by cylinder.[7]
Centerfire – The centerfire variant came with a distinctive grip.[3]
Carbine – A rare variant with extended barrels and a rifle type stock totalling 20” in length.[8]
Baby LeMat - The rarest variant of the LeMat is a reduced size version with a 4 3/4” barrel and the revolver chambered in .32 caliber and the shotgun chambered in .41 bore. Only 100 were produced.[8

[Big Red Badger]

Okay,
That’s my Take.