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To: jospehm20

Why not ask Jim or 100,000 other people on this forum that would vote for Cruz the day Trump retires? If Mr. Obama was eligible then Senator Cruz certainly is.


34 posted on 08/19/2018 1:16:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have always been told that two wrongs do not make a right but that is an apt comparison. I think of Cruz as the GOP’s version of Obama.


36 posted on 08/19/2018 1:25:14 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If Mr. Obama was eligible then Senator Cruz certainly is.”

IANAL, but it is my recollection that Barry’s mom was much younger than Ted’s. In 1961 the statutes, case law, country of birth and marriage status of the mother (in which country?) could give a different result regarding the US citizenship for Barry.

POTUS eligibility is a second question distinct from citizenship for both Barry and Ted in our nation under our Constitution and is distinct from eligibility for being a senator.

Why does the Constitution specify a distinction if it didn’t mean for there to be one? Just what is that distinction in Ted’s case today for senator v. POTUS?


82 posted on 08/19/2018 6:19:06 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then we will finally get an answer because the LEFT will most certainly sue.

My take on the birther question is FMD(married) is the father so he is a citizen. Mom needed a name for the bc. Obama senior agreed to the “marriage” to try and stay at Harvard. They didnt buy it and sent him home.

What does not change is Obama’s commie roots go deep.


93 posted on 08/19/2018 7:21:56 AM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives. Do nothing, they win and we lose.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sir,

But if Obama wasn’t eligible ( and he isn’t by many standards), then Ted isn’t either. While many of us understand the need to elect staunch conservatives, we must not forfeit principles of law either.

There are more substantial claims to native born status than either of these- It was obvious that McCain, born in Panama of two US parents on official duty to that nation is a natural born son, as are tens of thousands of other children of US diplomats and military/naval personnel serving overseas) even if he is utterly worthless as a politician.

If Ted indeed was born to Canadian citizen parents, then only a very liberal self serving view of the 14th would agree that he is a Natural Citizen of the US, as would be any child (anchor baby) of any form of legal or illegal alien in the US.

Quite certain that the Founders did not intend for that outcome in any manner.

Of course, the argument will continue and be divisive.

Some history/international practice tells us that citizenship follows the father blood ( the Harry/Meghan discussion etc- if Meghan dropped a child in the US, she foreswore her US citizenship to marry Harry, then would the prince be a US citizen? Would he be eligible by virtue of birth on US Soil to be president? Is he under the jurisdiction of the US ( not meaning subject to the laws of the nation or state, but entitled and obligated to duty to the nation? (It is accepted that a foreign person cannot be forced to fight for other than his country- but they may volunteer- as enlisted only, not commissioned)). So even if Obama was born on some portion of US soil, he would be a British subject ( since Kenya was a Brit colony/protectorate at that time).

What webs are woven!

I am glad we have a president who is without controversy in at least this area!

Peace.


120 posted on 08/19/2018 8:42:56 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why not ask Jim or 100,000 other people on this forum that would vote for Cruz the day Trump retires? If Mr. Obama was eligible then Senator Cruz certainly is."

No need. Like I said earlier I voted for Cruz for senate but that was a different time. He is permanently damaged goods and knowing what people now know about him today he would have never even won his first bid for senate. Cruz has asked President Trump to help in his reelection campaign. That tells you he is even in trouble getting re-elected to the senate and he may not win. I hope he does but he has lost a huge amount of support. There is zero chance he will ever be a viable presidential candidate again. Presidential potential is over for Cruz, NBC or no NBC.

126 posted on 08/19/2018 9:21:38 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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