Posted on 07/06/2018 11:23:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday he believes that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un sees a different future for his country, as America’s top diplomat heads to Pyongyang for talks on denuclearization.
Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew to Montana, Trump said: “I really believe that he sees a different future for the North Koreans. I hope that’s true.”(continued)
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I hope so. But, the military leaders won’t give up power easily.
Closer to home, the Democrat Party will do all it can to prevent peace in Korea.
That’s my thought. Kim will be in more danger from those scrawny half-starved generals he surrounds himself with, than the general populace, if there is a true thaw in relations and a concurrent disarmament.
They might if they’re going to get real food for a change. Some see how the South lives.
Yes, Kim sees a “different future”. That would be his police state run like China’s, and while politically unchanged & unrepentent yet still with one of the largest military establishments in Asia; but trading freely with global business interests that really don’t care if North Korea remains a dangerous place for its own people and in its neighborhood of the world. Kim is hoping to convince Trump of the same myth sold to open the west to China and let China into the WTO - someday political “liberalization” will happen if the west would just treat them like a “normal” country.
I fear the CIA might be in the same boat.
True. While China has opened up to the world, and instituted many free market reforms, they are still officially communist, and still definitely a totalitarian country.
Kim may want to change as China has, but, I bet he and his generals still want to maintain a totalitarian system in North Korea.
>Yes, Kim sees a “different future”. That would be his police state run like China’s, and while politically unchanged & unrepentent yet still with one of the largest military establishments in Asia; but trading freely with global business interests that really don’t care if North Korea remains a dangerous place for its own people and in its neighborhood of the world. Kim is hoping to convince Trump of the same myth sold to open the west to China and let China into the WTO - someday political “liberalization” will happen if the west would just treat them like a “normal” country.
Notice how the level of repression in China is way down compared to the Communist era? The reason socialist nations are repressive hellholes is because socialism doesn’t work and requires ever greater levels of oppression to prevent the system collapse. Once China adopted capitalism they let up on the public because it wasn’t necessary. Sure China and North Korea are unlikely to end up as democracies but their people will live well, have families, and become wealthy.
They will all be billionaires if they go Trump’s way and open NK up to being a new industrial power with western investment. That may entice them.
North Korea as the new world tourist destination.
That would be quite remarkable.
Korea as a source of child adoption will become a big business. Presently, adoption procedures in China are long drawn and expensive.
Korea as a source of child adoption will become a big business. Presently, adoption procedures in China are long drawn and expensive.
“Notice how the level of repression in China is way down compared to the Communist era?”
You do not know what you are talking about. 1. There remains all kinds or purely political prisoners all over China. 2. It is no less controlling or repressive, it has just gotten more modern and sophisticated at how it carries out repression. 3. Chinese citizens on seeing a stranger attacked in a public place do nothing - they don’t want anything to put them in contact with the police for any reason; their motives can be interpreted against them by the police. (A good friend of mine was murdered that way as the Chinese folks in the market plaza turned away, turned their heads away and did nothing).
It is fantasy that China as “liberalized”. Allowed more PRIVILEGES, not RIGHTS, is all that has taken place and privileges can be taken away any time, and are taken away for political reasons all the time.
Lastly; China is not a free market economy. It is a nationalist mercantilist economy that is highly controlled and manipulated by dictatorship that runs it. Hughe segments, HUGE, are only “private” on the surface while actual control and/or ownership is in the hands of official state enterprises, state organs and institutions, governmental units at every level of the government. government officials and party officials, at every level. Many companies have the names of persons as top shareholders and when found those persons know nothing about it nor how their name became listed as shareholders, because when the party chooses to even they want to deny they are truly the ones in charge of a “private” enterprise.
It’s a sham made to look like a “market” ecnomy but domestically China is anything but a market economy. It is a highly manipulated economy is what it is. Manipulated as an instrumemt of the party’s control.
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Is the level of oppression really way down, though?
Dissent is punishable by death, you can’t read Western newspapers or use Western social media, and everyone is being tagged with “social reponsibility” ID’s that indicate their level of loyalty to the state, with those who don’t show the highest levels of loyalty being forbidden to travel, move to a different city, get loans, or work for certain employers.
Doesn’t sound that free to me!
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Maybe they should put faggots and lawyer’s in charge instead like here in the States?
>with those who don’t show the highest levels of loyalty being forbidden to travel, move to a different city, get loans, or work for certain employers.
Try speaking the truth about black crime rates or talk about high Hispanic rape rates in public. You’ll be branded a racist and pretty much all those things will happen to you in the US as well. I said their oppression level declined not disappeared. Currently it’s about on par with US oppression levels. Actually having freedom would be nice, but as we don’t get actual freedom, I don’t see the point of trashing China for it.
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