Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.
Not at that time in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Ohio. Plenty of Union troops came from these states.
Holy shit. I can’t believe you posted that.
No, I’m talking about those two Southern asshole Davis and lee. The South opened the ball. Try again Reb.
Project much do you? The South started a war it had every intention of winning and lost. End of story Reb.
Lee was serving an evil cause. Eisenhower was the Supreme Allied Commander of all Allied forces in the field fighting in Europe. George Marshall was The Chief Of Staff in Washington. Eisenhower was the general in Europe, the man on the ground, as it were.
While the Erie canal had obvious advantages, there were Southern possibilities.
Washington also championed the Kanawha canal project.
https://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/964
A turnpike wasn’t a disqualification (for Kanawha ot Potowmac) . And these were southerners in the NW Terrs who would use it.
http://www.envisionthejames.org/detail/james-river-and-kanawha-canal/evj6e320620cd3a8cf84/
“Then followed the War Between the States and the consequent destruction and deterioration of canal works. “And now the canal, after a fair and costly trial is to give away to the rail,” George Bagby wrote sometime after Appomattox, “and I in common with the great body of Virginians, am heartily glad of it. It has served its purpose well enough, perhaps, for its day and generation. The world has passed it by... The dream of the great canal to the Ohio... must be abandoned along with other dreams.”
In 1880 the canal system was sold to the Alleghany Railroad Company, and tracks were laid on the towpath, thus preventing canalboat traffic.”
Lot of historical trends going on. Basically though, the Southern slave-based capitalists made choices that were not future-oriented.
“Holy shit. I can’t believe you posted that.”
Really? Well then you’ve never read a biography of Ike because they all comment on the irony of the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, having never participated in a battle and certainly having never commanded a field army in battle.
Ike commanded a stateside tank unit during WWI, never going overseas. He was in no battles in the interwar period. He was a staff officer, the supreme staff officer, in WWII.
General George Patton wrote “it’s too bad that Eisenhower has no personal knowledge of war.”
General Omar Bradley wrote that Eisenhower “had little grasp of sound battlefield tactics.”
Historian Adrian R. Lewis wrote that because Eisenhower lacked combat experience, he did not have the respect of his colleagues given to those who served in battle.
Well. his role required a handler of staffs- not a combat General. His opponent was our allies, not the enemy.
“Washington also championed the Kanawha canal project.”
For a southern route. The James is in the south of Virginia. A canal there connects to the west but it’s not very close to the Northwest Territory.
“A turnpike wasn’t a disqualification “
It defeats the advantage of boats and barges being able to efficiently carry much heavier loads than pack animals. A turnpike as part of a canal system requires pack animals and the unloading and reloading of shipments.
The Erie didn’t require portage and was more efficient.
That was my point.
I was replying to a claim that “Eishenhower was an equally worse field commander than Lee was.”
Pretty tough to be “an equally worse field commander” when he had never commanded troops in battle.
His role was to get the allied combat generals all working in the same direction and to minimize the competition between them. Not an easy task.
Building the Erie Canal wa no piece of cake...
“The press often derided the project as “Clinton’s Folly.” In 1822, controversy over the canal project led to Clinton’s defeat in the gubernatorial race. Two years later, he was removed from the very Canal Board he himself had created.”
https://ravallirepublic.com/news/local/article_a035db62-59c0-5fc4-b707-e9a4066dc2d5.html
Southerners had an advantage of slave labor, but there just was no incentive for their capitslists.
Ah, yes.
Ah, you made my point.
But you're wrong about Lee, and insulting him shows who the real asshole is. That would be you.
*(Side note- If they were alive today and saw what this country turned into, they'd all have been whistling Dixie)
Awwwwww, you found a new friend. Isn’t that special?
Very, very true! Even if you study his photographs, you can see was a pill.
Well, you can’t win everybody over but take it from me: you’re a genius and treasure.
I can’t believe anyone in America would call Eisenhower inept. But then I can’t believe how people can insult Lee, Grant, Lincoln, Washington, Stuart, Longstreet, etc, etc. I have to remember not to come on Civil War threads - they’re depressing.
I see the usual PC Revisionists have shown up to spew their usual BS against anything Southern.
I trust the judgment of Winston Churchill far more than I trust their “judgment”.
“Lee was the noblest American who had ever lived and one of the greatest commanders known to the annals of war.”
I will say this in defense of them and the other fire eaters of the south. Without their rebellion I believe it is very probable that slavery would have continued to exist in the United States well into the 20th century. So I think it is a good thing that they did rebel when they did. It made the horrible blight of slavery end much sooner than it would have.
I’ve always wondered if the Civil War wasn’t God’s judgement on American for clinging to slavery as the rest of christendom was moving away from it. Perhaps he hardened the hearts of the southern fire eaters allowing them to split the democratic party and allowing Lincoln to be elected knowing it would cause this terrible war.
As Abraham Lincoln said in his second inaugural address;
“One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. “Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.”
If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”
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