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To: DiogenesLamp; OIFVeteran; rockrr; DoodleDawg; x
DiogenesLamp: "The hypocrisy of the Union in keeping slavery for six months longer than the Confederacy is seldom mentioned, and never made the butt of jokes, even though it is a far more glaring hypocrisy."

Your sensitivity to Northern "hypocrisy" is touching, very touching. </sarc>
And now you've now repeated your little insanity several times, just as if it was true and important.
It's neither.

  1. By 1860 all Northern states, without exception, fully abolished slavery, voluntarily.

  2. By 1860 no Southern state was even seriously considering voluntary abolition.

  3. By early 1861 eleven slave-states declared secession, Confederacy and war on the United States, five slave-states remained loyal to the Union.

  4. The US Constitution protected slavery in Union states, but not in states or regions in rebellion.
    So, in 1862 President Lincoln lawfully emancipated slaves of rebel Confederates as "contraband", enabling their service to the Union, including as volunteer colored troops (175 regiments = 180,000 men).
    But Lincoln had no constitutional power to emancipate slaves of loyal Americans, short of constitutional amendment, the 13th which Lincoln helped pass and was ratified in December 1865.

  5. Confederate surrenders began at Appomattox CH on April 9, 1865 and continued -- over a dozen in total -- for months, the last for troops on June 23, 1865.
    On August 20, 1866 Democrat President Johnson declared the insurrection over.

  6. In the mean time, by April 14, 1865, the 13th Amendment was ratified by 21 states, including Southern states of Maryland (loyal), West Virginia (loyal), Missouri (loyal), Virginia (Confederate), Louisiana (Conf.), Tennessee (Conf.) & Arkansas (Conf.).
    By December six more former Confederates ratified, including South Carolina, Alabama, North Carolina & Georgia, thus confirming the Amendment, making it the Law of the Land.

  7. In Union Kentucky about two-thirds of slaves were already freed before December 1865, the balance, around 82,000 were freed by 13th Amendment.
    In Union Delaware, about half slaves were already freed before December 1865, the balance, around 900 were freed by 13th Amendment.
    These numbers mean that 98% of slaves were already emancipated before final ratification of the 13th Amendment.

  8. In future years the nine hold-out states also formally ratified, including Florida (C), Texas (C), Delaware (loyal), Kentucky (loyal: 1976) & Mississippi (C. 1995).

In summary:

  1. By 1860 every Northern state had long since peacefully abolished slavery.
  2. By April 14, 1865 seven slave-states ratified abolition, 13th amendment.
  3. By July 1865 all seven Confederate states which had not yet ratified the 13th, had Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation forced on them.
  4. By December 1865 abolition (13th Amendment) became the Law of the Land, including all loyal slave-states.
  5. Three Confederate states and two loyal slave-states were forced the accept the 13th, despite not ratifying it by December 1865.
    All eventually did ratify.

So DiogenesLamp's often repeated claim of "hypocrisy" is just ludicrous.


589 posted on 02/25/2018 7:55:47 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

What part of the constitution gives him the power to do this? I would think this is flatly contradicted by Article IV, Section 2.

How does a President ignore a clear constitutional requirement? I know how a dictator does it, but how does a President do it?

590 posted on 02/26/2018 12:52:42 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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