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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Chicago, San Fransisco, Los Angeles and Boston all have some power, but the heart of the Beast is New York, the Ivies are it's nursery, and Washington is it's store front."

Well... even you could give us a more complete listing than that, with just a little thought on the question, "who are the Left?"

  1. First & foremost, any special interest which seeks more from government than they contribute to it.
  2. Historically, anti-Federalists who opposed the Constitution and such limitations as it placed on their special interests.
  3. Since 1800, "New York Power Brokers" allied with Southern Democrats.
  4. Since 1825, big city immigrants, i.e., Tammany Hall.
  5. Since the time of Karl Marx, increasingly more academics & media types sometimes calling themselves "progressives".
  6. Since the New Deal, socialist workers and their Unions, though these days being more frequently run-off by ever more Leftist Democrats.
  7. Since the New Deal, workers in the vast new Federal bureaucracy.
  8. Since the 1940s, Hollywood leftists.
  9. Since the 1960s "social justice" warriors (for race, gender, ethnicity) and environmentalists.
  10. Since 1973's Roe v Wade, pro-abortion activists.
  11. Since 2000, "Silicone Valley" Nuevo-riche millionaires & billionaires.
  12. So who am I forgetting?

So now that we've looked at the Left, who are our more conservative Republicans?

  1. First & foremost, lovers of the Constitution & Bible, and not necessarily in that order -- traditional family values people.
  2. Since at least 1836, rural Northern & Southern farmers, as opposed to Democrat Van Buren's big city immigrants allied to Southern slave-holders.
  3. Smaller-town, smaller-business, independent contractors (i.e., DJ Trump), including professionals.
  4. Since the Civil War, military (Grand Army of the Republic) and law enforcement.
  5. More & more patriotic workers, including Union workers, the old "Reagan Democrats" are now "Trump Republicans".
    Thank them for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin & others.
  6. So who am I forgetting here?

My point is: only a few of those have anything to do with your alleged "New York Power Brokers" and all of them would be Democrats.

Why do you disagree?

490 posted on 02/20/2018 6:16:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Well... even you could give us a more complete listing than that, with just a little thought on the question, "who are the Left?"...

You've got this one mostly right.

509 posted on 02/20/2018 7:59:00 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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