[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Don't put words into my mouth.
I agree with neither of the two statements you make and that you wish to attribute to me as being my position."

Ah, but both statements are absolutely true and would be your opinion too if you ever tried to be logically consistent.
But as a Democrat-at-heart you are not allowed to be logically consistent and must happily hold onto self-contradictory beliefs.

Sucks, but there it is...

[DiogenesLamp]

But as a Democrat-at-heart you are not allowed to be logically consistent and must happily hold onto self-contradictory beliefs.

Like we can "preserve the Union" if we let all the other states go, so long as we hold on to Virginia.

Yeah, that's not contradictory at all.