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To: Mollypitcher1
Mollypitcher1: "Lincoln had to come up with an excuse and settled on emancipation as the best way to sway public opinion away from the states rights issue as well as the monetary issues"

Northern Republican public opinion had no interest in either your "states rights" or "monetary issues".
They did care about preserving the Union and also about emancipation.
But Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was, strictly speaking, a military measure intended to both reduce African-American support for Confederates and at the same time increase their support for the Union, to include enlistments as soldiers.

Mollypitcher1: "Some southern states had been GUARANTEED the right to withdraw from the Union should they see fit AFTER agreeing to the Constitution and signing it.
What happened to that guarantee?
Lincoln ignored it."

I've seen no such guarantee made to anybody ever.
Sounds like somebody's mythology.
More important, secession did not start Civil War, Fort Sumter and the Confederate Declaration of War (May 6, 1861) did.

Mollypitcher1: "You state emancipation was important to many Unionists.
IF it was so important, why were slaves in the Unionist (northern states) NOT included in the Emancipation??????
Not to include the slave brokers located in the north!!!"

Many but not all Northerners cared a lot about emancipation and were willing to serve to bring it about.
But constitutionally, President Lincoln could only declare emancipation of slaves (as "contraband") of those in rebellion against the United States.
All others required passage of the 13th Amendment, which Lincoln did live long enough to see.

381 posted on 02/17/2018 3:01:54 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

BroJoeK: “Northern Republican public opinion had no interest in either your “states rights” or “monetary issues”.
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Naturally they didn’t care. they were NOT among the states that had to be persuaded to join the Union and sign the Constitution on the promise they could withdraw if their sovereignty came into question. You need to study more.

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BroJoeK: “Sounds like somebody’s mythology.”
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Your mythology is that Lincoln was the “Saint” of the time and that the southern states were the evil doers. Study the REAL history of the time the country was “born.” Revisionists have had a field day on our history.
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BroJoeK:secession did not start Civil War, Fort Sumter and the Confederate Declaration of War (May 6, 1861) did.
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Lincoln IGNORED the peace seeking delegation sent by the southern states to negotiate the purchase of Ft. Sumter and any other Federal possessions within the southern states. He REFUSED to meet with them. He then sent a MILITARY CONVOY to resupply Ft. Sumter with men, arms, food, etc. He FORCED the Confederacy to attack the Fort before the convoy could arrive. Lincoln is clearly responsible for forcing the attack on Sumter.
He also got word from a union SPY that Maryland, a border state, planned to join the Confederacy and sent troops to ARREST the duly elected Marylanders so that they could not meet and officially secede from the Union. (Washington, D.C. is built on Maryland soil.) War was his intention although he thought it would be very short in duration.


402 posted on 02/18/2018 6:31:11 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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