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To: BroJoeK
And you can cite a source for that, or just your own vivid imagination?

I can, but I prefer to use your source, and the reason I prefer to use it is because you won't be able to dismiss it because you are the one putting it forth.

I've seen your numbers before. Even you have admitted the South was producing 50% of all the Federal revenue, so show everyone your numbers, and then we can go upward from there with the other sources of which I know.

You set the starting point for what you will admit.

These arguments always turn in to what you will deny, so I figure we should just start with what you will admit.

160 posted on 02/12/2018 11:14:27 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
BJK #38: "The behavior of "the South" is fully explained by the following: they were Democrats and as such they favored powerful Federal Government to advance their own interests."

DiogenesLamp #112: "Yeah, like cutting the 75% of the taxes their 25% of the citizens were paying, while the Northern 75% of the citizens were only paying the remaining 25%."

BJK #148: "And you can cite a source for that, or just your own vivid imagination?"

DiogenesLamp #160: "I've seen your numbers before.
Even you have admitted the South was producing 50% of all the Federal revenue..."

Well... Deep South cotton represented 50% of US total exports on which no taxes were paid.
With their cotton earnings, Deep South planters purchased various goods & services from local producers, from Northern producers and from abroad.
Some of the money earned by those local & Northern producers was then also spent on foreign imports.
Most foreign imports were charged tariffs which combined represented 90+% of Federal revenues.

All told, the Deep South represented roughly 10% of US voters, shipping 50% of US exports, certainly a disproportionate amount.

Regardless, they were still Democrats and as such enjoyed the types of privileges Democrats insist on, including:

  1. Disproportionate representation in Congress and the electoral college.

  2. Disproportionate representation in Washington Deep State offices (i.e., Supreme Court) & spending (i.e., forts).

  3. Federal enforcement of their most important institution: slavery.

  4. National defense which included the Mexican war to expand the realm of slavery.

  5. The lowest import tariff rates in many decades.

  6. Expanding slavery's realm through SCOTUS Dred-Scott.

So my original point remains valid: Democrats then as now love a powerful national government working to support their own special interests, otherwise, not-so-much.

336 posted on 02/16/2018 3:45:55 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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