Astrological Community Has Some Interesting Theories About Why Hillary Clinton Lost 2016 Election

Refinery29 ^ | July 9, 2017 | Caitlin Flynn

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In the days, weeks, and months since Donald Trump's surprising victory, there's been endless speculation and debate about what cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.

In May, Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight wrote that the October 28 Comey Letter very likely cost Clinton the presidency. There's also evidence that sexism, both conscious and unconscious, helped tear down one of the most qualified candidates in history. And all of this is to say nothing of potential Russian interference.

Well, here's a new one: Members of the astrological community believe that the exact time of Clinton's birth on October 26, 1947, may be responsible for her loss.

According to Broadly, political astrologers have spent decades obsessing over the exact moment Clinton's life began. Knowing a person's birth time is key to figuring out their rising sign, which is used to determine their house cusps: key information when it comes to making predictions about a person's life path.

Apparently, Clinton's time of birth has been a topic of debate for the past two decades. Although it's been reported that Clinton confirmed at least once she was born at 8 p.m., there are several rumored birth times for the former presidential candidate and the answer could determine whether she has an "eminent" birth chart or a "sh*tty" one.

"Astrologers are very resourceful when it comes to finding birth time," says Annabel Gat, Broadly's staff astrologer, "and Hillary's chart is a very notable case where it's just been impossible and such a drama."

Since the 1990s, astrologers have claimed that Clinton was actually born at 8 a.m. and some have stated she doesn't want the public to know her exact birth time. (Although this seems pretty unlikely, because there's no evidence that Clinton has any interest or knowledge regarding astrology.)

As it turns out, many wanted to believe that Clinton was born at 8 a.m. despite precious little evidence to support this assertion. An 8 a.m. birth time would have indicated she has an "eminent birth chart," and hope springs eternal.

"I think that people were gravitating towards the 8 AM time because Hillary looks really strong, and we all really wanted Hillary to win for a lot of reasons; the astrological community is overwhelmingly Democratic," explains Danny Larkin, the vice president of the Association for Young Astrologers.

For his part, Larkin believes Clinton was born at 8 p.m., but he thinks that, regardless of exact birth time, the candidate's chart was "sh*tty." He notes that her Venus is in "terrible shape," under attack by both Mars and Saturn, and her Sun is also under attack.

"There's something about her where she doesn't light up the room," Larkin says. "There's something about her sun; it's not able to shine as brightly as it wants to shine."

Still, there's nothing "utterly cataclysmic" in Clinton's chart. So it's, uh, a pretty big leap to chalk up her loss to astrology when there were so many other factors at play.

Nevertheless, political astrologists continue to speculate. Only this time, they're looking towards what Donald Trump's birth chart could mean for his future. Many astrologers say that the eclipse on August 21 bodes terribly for Trump because it falls directly on Leo, his rising sign.

"All of the astrologers are talking about it… It's this really wild, prominent thing that everybody in the country is going to see in August, and it happens to be very much closely tied into Trump's chart," says an unidentified political astrologist.

But, of course, nothing is ever certain: "In terms of what that specifically means, and in terms of whether that's something negative for [Trump] or something that's negative for the country as a whole, I don't know," he adds.

This information is interesting and all, but I'm sticking to my theory that a perfect storm of external factors (the aforementioned email scandal, Benghazi witch hunt, sexism, and overall dislike and distrust for Clinton) is responsible for her loss.

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I have seriously studied astrology since the 70’s. I was curious because of reading the Bible, many different verses relating to time, but particularly Ecclesiastes 3: 1-10.

I completely agree that most astrologers lean left, and fall into the sin our Bible warns against, which is profiting from a superficial knowledge of the “language/words of astrology. They also let their personal biases influence the way they read a chart, which makes them totally unreliable.

If we think about the solar system as a giant timepiece, with God creating it for our development, we can see that there is a time for every purpose under heaven. We can get a sense of quality of the time we are in, but we cannot predict, and should not try, for one reason alone. We are not God, and are incapable of
comprehending the complexity of His creation.

Newspaper astrology is utter nonsense, and no-one should be relying on it, as is “Sun-Sign” astrology which it relies on. Serious astrology is much more complex, and truly works, but is so complex that we can “only see through a glass darkly”.

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One of the most embarrassing things about believing in Astrology (and there are many), is the fact that the Zodiac constellations, upon which it is all based, no longer line up properly with the date ranges that supposedly define them.

In around 600 BC, astronomers identified twelve easily distinguished star groupings (constellations) to demark 30° increments along the Sun’s path (the ecliptic). The starting point for this system of measurement was called the First Point of Aries, the Vernal Equinox, the point where the path of the Sun crosses the celestial equator, on March 22 of each year. At that point in the Suns traverse, the Sun entered into the constellation of Aries.

Astrologers adopted the twelve signs of the Zodiac for their “science”, along with the original date ranges.

Unfortunately, 2600 plus years later, due to the Earth’s 23.5° tilt and a 25,800 year wobble called “precession”, when the Sun crosses the Vernal Equinox on March 22, it is no longer anywhere close to entering Aries. In fact, it hasn’t even entered Pisces yet.

Astrologers have never gotten around to updating their horoscopes to account for this change in the position of the stars.

So, if you think you are an Aries, odds are you were born when the Sun was under the sign of Pisces. If you thought you were Aquarius, you were most likely born under Capricorn.

Warning: most people who take Astrology seriously HATE it when you bring this up, especially in front of other people.

Last time I brought it up, this normally kindly, scarf-wearing, aged hippie wanna-be gypsy-type female Horoscope-reading friend of mine (who knew my birthday was mid April) tried to dismiss my skepticism by snapping “typical Aries”.

“Typical Aries” in that context is meant to be a put-down along the lines of “grasshopper”. If you are an Aries (the first sign of the Zodiac), you are a young soul, full of life perhaps but impulsive, stubborn, skeptical, etc, - while a Picses, the twelfth sign, can claim to be an old soul, wise and all knowing.

I said: “Or..... am I a typical Picses?”

That shut her up....not

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There is a mundane astrologer with a Biblical focus that I check in on from time to time, I’ll leave him nameless since he doesn’t really seek any attention but given your orientation you probably know who I’m talking about. I’ve never forgotten what he had to say about Sarah Palin. Long story, but based upon his readings he believes she was intentionally thwarted out of not just the Vice Presidency but the Presidency itself. He said his reading indicated that she would be vindicated. I see that to an extent in the Trump administration, in the ongoing saga of Charlie Gard in England with their death panels.