My belt is older than she is.
Posted on 07/10/2017 3:40:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
In the days, weeks, and months since Donald Trump's surprising victory, there's been endless speculation and debate about what cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
In May, Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight wrote that the October 28 Comey Letter very likely cost Clinton the presidency. There's also evidence that sexism, both conscious and unconscious, helped tear down one of the most qualified candidates in history. And all of this is to say nothing of potential Russian interference.
Well, here's a new one: Members of the astrological community believe that the exact time of Clinton's birth on October 26, 1947, may be responsible for her loss.
According to Broadly, political astrologers have spent decades obsessing over the exact moment Clinton's life began. Knowing a person's birth time is key to figuring out their rising sign, which is used to determine their house cusps: key information when it comes to making predictions about a person's life path.
Apparently, Clinton's time of birth has been a topic of debate for the past two decades. Although it's been reported that Clinton confirmed at least once she was born at 8 p.m., there are several rumored birth times for the former presidential candidate and the answer could determine whether she has an "eminent" birth chart or a "sh*tty" one.
"Astrologers are very resourceful when it comes to finding birth time," says Annabel Gat, Broadly's staff astrologer, "and Hillary's chart is a very notable case where it's just been impossible and such a drama."
Since the 1990s, astrologers have claimed that Clinton was actually born at 8 a.m. and some have stated she doesn't want the public to know her exact birth time. (Although this seems pretty unlikely, because there's no evidence that Clinton has any interest or knowledge regarding astrology.)
As it turns out, many wanted to believe that Clinton was born at 8 a.m. despite precious little evidence to support this assertion. An 8 a.m. birth time would have indicated she has an "eminent birth chart," and hope springs eternal.
"I think that people were gravitating towards the 8 AM time because Hillary looks really strong, and we all really wanted Hillary to win for a lot of reasons; the astrological community is overwhelmingly Democratic," explains Danny Larkin, the vice president of the Association for Young Astrologers.
For his part, Larkin believes Clinton was born at 8 p.m., but he thinks that, regardless of exact birth time, the candidate's chart was "sh*tty." He notes that her Venus is in "terrible shape," under attack by both Mars and Saturn, and her Sun is also under attack.
"There's something about her where she doesn't light up the room," Larkin says. "There's something about her sun; it's not able to shine as brightly as it wants to shine."
Still, there's nothing "utterly cataclysmic" in Clinton's chart. So it's, uh, a pretty big leap to chalk up her loss to astrology when there were so many other factors at play.
Nevertheless, political astrologists continue to speculate. Only this time, they're looking towards what Donald Trump's birth chart could mean for his future. Many astrologers say that the eclipse on August 21 bodes terribly for Trump because it falls directly on Leo, his rising sign.
"All of the astrologers are talking about it… It's this really wild, prominent thing that everybody in the country is going to see in August, and it happens to be very much closely tied into Trump's chart," says an unidentified political astrologist.
But, of course, nothing is ever certain: "In terms of what that specifically means, and in terms of whether that's something negative for [Trump] or something that's negative for the country as a whole, I don't know," he adds.
This information is interesting and all, but I'm sticking to my theory that a perfect storm of external factors (the aforementioned email scandal, Benghazi witch hunt, sexism, and overall dislike and distrust for Clinton) is responsible for her loss.
We’ve had some disagreements recently, but I am completely in agreement with you.
Trump was the better candidate.
Clinton had all of the machinery, but Trump was vastly superior, as a candidate.
Good thing, that.
Even Astrologers agree: Hillary was mooned by Uranus.
There have to be some FReepers who believe in or lean towards astrology, since we have over 400,000 members. Somebody is keeping that multi-billion dollar industry alive. And yes, there were only two choices in November. Which is why I’m amazed at so many people being stunned by Trump’s victory. If you’re on one of the two major party tickets, you have an awful good statistical chance of being president. It’s only by chance that Sarah Palin isn’t the retiring vice president or in the White House herself. Or Michael Dukakis, Hubert Humphrey or Adlai Stevenson.
Rectum? Nearly killed ‘em!
She is imbued with the Machiavellian cunning of Forrest Gump, the charm and grace of Leona Helmsley, the common touch of Marie Antoinette.
She can summon Sid Blumenthal from the vasty deep.
She lies as artfully and disingenuously as a four-year old with his hand in the cookie jar.
She makes strong men on her security detail burst into tears when she stumbles. Tears of laughter.
“There’s also evidence that sexism, both conscious and unconscious, helped tear down one of the most qualified candidates in history.”
Caitlin is clueless.
Fight the Patriarchy!!!
How dare Mars and Saturn team up against Venus!
My belt is older than she is.
No witnessess survived
No matter how long their list grows, someone else has one more reason why Hillary, “one of the most qualified candidates in history”, lost the election:
Astrological influences elected Trump.
Blatant sexism and unconscious sexism elected Trump.
People voting against Hillary because Obama is black elected Trump.
Traditionalist attitudes toward women elected Trump.
White voters afraid of losing White Privilege elected Trump.
Democrats doing a poor job of controlling the narrative elected Trump.
A thousand Russian agents working every day elected Trump.
Content farms in Macedonia elected Trump.
The TV networks keeping Hillary off the air elected Trump.
The vast right-wing conspiracy elected Trump.
Infowars elected Trump.
Google elected Trump.
Governor Scott Walker elected Trump.
Steve Bannon elected Trump.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker elected Trump.
Nate Silver elected Trump.
Citizens United elected Trump.
The DNC being a mess and in poor shape elected Trump.
Bad polling numbers elected Trump.
Obama winning two terms elected Trump.
People wanting change elected Trump.
The New York Times, cable news, and television executives elected Trump.
According to Hillary, “Eight of the top 10 political documentaries on Netflix were screeds against President Obama and me” - Netflix elected Trump.
Democrats not making the right documentaries elected Trump.
The Democrat Party and the Republican Party elected Trump.
Concerns that Hillary Clinton was involved with a child sex trafficking operation elected Trump.
Concern about Hillary Clinton being a lizard elected Trump.
High expectations that Hillary would win elected Trump.
Voter suppression elected Trump.
FBI Director Comey announcing a criminal investigation into Hillary’s felonies just over a week before the election, when he had little reason to think there was anything there, elected Trump.
The Russians ransacking Hillary’s computer files and strategically leaking the truth elected Trump.
Misogyny elected Trump.
Gary Johnson and Jill Stein voters elected Trump.
Advocacy press on the right elected Trump.
Facebook elected Trump.
Twitter elected Trump.
Old, out-of-touch democrats with a flawed message that alienated young voters elected Trump.
White nationalists elected Trump.
Hatred of Hillary Clinton at the FBI (how could anyone hate a lovable woman like Hillary?) elected Trump.
FBI investigation elected Trump.
Email scandal elected Trump.
Black voters not liking Hillary elected Trump.
Fewer than 100,000 deplorable voters spread across a handful of states elected Trump.
People hating Hillary because she is so professional, so polished, such a wonderful lawyer, so brilliant, so good, so righteous, and so much better than us elected Trump.
The lack of energy among Hillary supporters and expectations of Hillary being the inevitable winner, because it was her turn, elected Trump.
Robby Mook selecting the wrong travel stops for Hillary and spending heavily in the wrong states elected Trump.
Hillary’s campaign team failing to hone her message and get voters to the polls elected Trump.
Bill Clinton’s appearance of an inappropriate meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch elected Trump.
Wikileaks elected Trump.
The ugly stew of racism elected Trump.
Hillary’s alleged lack of likability and claimed lack of trustworthiness elected Trump.
Self-hating women elected Trump.
Evangelical, Catholic, anti-marriage equality, and anti-choice social conservatives elected Trump.
Sinister outside forces elected Trump.
Whitelash elected Trump.
Democrat policies that favor the rich elected Trump.
Failure to talk to working-class white voters elected Trump.
Men elected Trump.
Lower-level FBI agents pressuring their Director (because that’s how professional relationships work) elected Trump.
Tim Kaine gave Hillary Virginia, but he also elected Trump.
White women elected Trump.
Racists elected Trump.
Sexists elected Trump.
Rural voters elected Trump.
The working class voting against their own interests elected Trump.
Fake news elected Trump.
Supermarket tabloids elected Trump.
Celebrity (The Apprentice) elected Trump.
White male resentment elected Trump.
Over-shaming Trump supporters elected Trump.
Rejecting Bernie elected Trump.
Reagan democrats elected Trump.
Backlash against political correctness elected Trump.
There are many terrible reasons for President Trump’s victory, but there are two things that were not a factor. First, Hillary was the perfect candidate; nothing she did harmed her candidacy in any way. Second, President Trump was the worst candidate imaginable; nothing he did helped his candidacy at all, except with racists, sexists, bigots, and the rest of the basket of deplorables.
If you believe in astrology try this experiment. Read yesterday’s horoscope and honestly evaluate if any of the stuff mentioned happened to you.
“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars / But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”
to quote the bard
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars
But in ourselves,
granted Cassius is trying to convince Brutus to join the would be assassins but the quote can be applied generally
Hillary lost for two reason only. One Barack Obama. We were sick and tired of his direction and to likely Hillary would be going in the same direction. Two. Hillary is a lying corrupt criminal sack o crap!Anything else ans you are over thinking it or just making excuses!
Sarah Palin (should have been) our Vice President. Then our President.
The thing is, what we have seen from Palin (back then) and Trump (now) is a difference in their styles, and I think that difference is why Trump is President right now.
I supported Palin, very early on. But she sort of didn’t have Trump’s ability to turn things around on the attackers. So lots of the attacks on her, stuck. I’m sorry that happened, but it did.
Trump is quite different in this regard. He attacks right back. Always.
That is such a refreshing characteristic.
It is why Trump is President, and why Palin is not.
I am totally for Palin. She was the best candidate recently, until Trump came along. But she didn’t have that same instinct.
Trump is unique. Very glad he came along, when he did.
Little twit probably could not find Benghazi on a map.
beat me by 1 minute
She’s not a New York real estate developer, show business mogul and billionaire. She came a long way from being a city councilwoman in a tiny town, though.
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