U.S. Surveillance State Leads to Gun Arrests in Australia

Gun Watch ^ | 11 June, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Australia has no Second Amendment, no Fourth Amendment, no Fifth Amendment, no First Amendment.  There is strong tradition and law that searches shall require warrants, and that people will not be forced to testify against themselves.

There are only a few rights actually protected by the Australian Constitution, and they are weakly protected.

In the following story, the information that lead to the searches and arrests came from the United States.  It wasn't about people purchasing anything illegal. It was about solvent traps. From smh.com.au:

More than 80 illegally imported guns have been seized during raids across the country after a tip-off from US authorities.

The Australian Border Force seized the black market guns, as well as 43 firearm silencers and 37 kilograms of gunpowder, after raiding more than a dozen properties.

(snip)

After receiving information from US authorities, Border Force investigators identified a large number of Australian customers buying "solvent trap" cleaning kits from a US-based website.

Items in the cleaning kits can be easily converted in sound suppressors, or silencers.

Some government agency in the United States is monitoring people who purchase solvent traps.  Very likely, they are monitoring people who visit solvent trap web sites.

The U.S. agency stored this information, and sent a list of people from Australia who a purchased solvent traps, to Australian authorities. The Australian Border Force then used the information to identify at least a dozen Australian homes to be raided.

Most Australians did not turn in all their guns during the infamous and mandatory Australian gun "buy backs" of 1996 and 2003.  The estimates are that 80% of guns that were made illegal were not registered or turned in. The article says that more than 80 illegally imported guns were seized. But the imprecision of such terms in the media is notorious.

Under Australian gun law, the air pistol in the upper left of the picture is treated the same as a real firearm.  The laser training gun in the upper left may be treated as an illegal firearm, it depends on the Australian state.  In NSW, computer code to print out a toy gun that looks real, is considered the same as a real gun.

It is possible that the Australian Border Force raided 12 homes and found 80 illegally imported guns. It seems more likely the interchangeable use of "black market" and "illegally imported" means that many or most of the guns seized were simply "not registered", which is a serious offense in Australia, after the extreme restrictions on gun ownership were passed in 1996.

Consider that U.S. authorities are monitoring and recording the proceedings at solvent trap websites.  Solvent traps are not illegal. Solvent traps do not require a license to purchase or own.

People have told me they do not join the NRA or a local Second Amendment activist group because "They do not want to be on a list."

Do you go to gun related sites on the Internet? Read gun related stories on Establishment media? Purchase ammo or gun accessories with a credit card? Buy a hunting license?  You are already effectively on a list.  All of that data is already collected and stored. If laws are passed to "deal" with gun owners, government officials can cross index and create such lists in a matter of minutes.

The real war is ongoing right now. It is the war to prevent such laws from being passed, and having a Supreme Court that will enforce Constitutional rights, especially Second Amendment rights.  Americans have lost the battle for privacy.  If Americans want it back, they will have to fight for it.


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[marktwain]

There has been considerable written that the NSA is gobbling up all internet communications and phone communications and storing the information in Utah.

It seems plausible.

Have we built the infrastructure for a tyranny that East Germany or the Soviets could only dream of?

[samtheman]

Australia has no Second Amendment, no Fourth Amendment, no Fifth Amendment, no First Amendment.

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It’s a society built by prisoners on prison logic. Top dog gets the beef, everybody else eats shit.

[Yo-Yo]

George Orwell would be proud.

[SargeK]

Short answer - yes.

But WTH is a solvent trap?

[Lurkinanloomin]

That NSA center in Utah is tracking all electronic traffic.
Communications, credit card purchases, everything.
There is no privacy.

[marktwain]

Solvent Trap advertisement:

https://www.crosshaircustoms.com/product/d-cell-solvent-trap-kit-chc/

[Kalamata]

>>That NSA center in Utah is tracking all electronic traffic.
Communications, credit card purchases, everything.
There is no privacy.
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NSA Reneges On Promise To Tell Congress How Many Innocent Americans It Spies On

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/06/13/nsa-reneges-promise-tell-congress-many-innocent-americans-spies/

[i_robot73]

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Australia has no Second Amendment, no Fourth Amendment, no Fifth Amendment, no First Amendment.
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Wow, that’s amazing. Neither do WE.

[Chode]

they all look like target guns

[Roccus]

Wow, that’s amazing. Neither do WE.

Actually, we do....have those amendments. Whether or not our government abides by them is another matter entirely.

[marktwain]

Australia and gun laws ping.

Your erudite and reasoned comments are always welcome.

[Axenolith]

They started off as a threaded barrel attachment that allowed one to screw a common oil filter onto a gun to “catch the toxic cleaning solvent” that resulted in an effective suppressor when fired through.

[TalonDJ]

“But WTH is a solvent trap?”

Just google it... and you too can be on the list.

[lavaroise]

Prevent those laws from being enacted?

It seems they are in virtual effect given the NSA’s power.

Maybe we should shut down this BS and put in prison agents doing domestic infiltration.

[lavaroise]

I swear, we shoulld start a charity giving away free 80% lowers and tools to make them...

[SargeK]

Oh I’m on some lists for things much more interesting than that...

[lavaroise]

Let me get this straight. We send arms to ISIS, cartels etc. but go attack Australian citizens getting thread adapters.

We used to drop liberty handgins over Europe, now we bomb the every day European or Australian for the benefit of Nazi and statist ideologies.

This is the Marshall plan for you

[lavaroise]

If we all wondered why the NSA never stops terror attacks, right there is proof. Their privacy is more important than ours. Their tracking solvent traps must not be divulgated as they have effective surveillance on Obama passing weapons to actual terrorists and saying norhing of that policy spportinf religious nazi regimes and crushing the western free man. I am sure the big tech companies work for them to that end too.

[marktwain]

The NSA stops lots of terror attacks.

Why do you think they do not?

[naturalman1975]

Australia has no Second Amendment, no Fourth Amendment, no Fifth Amendment, no First Amendment.

True on the first one - we have no real equivalent to your Second Amendment (there is a much more limited right to bear arms, but it really doesn't come close).

But the rights guaranteed in the US by the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and the First Amendment, are all guaranteed in Australia under various parts of Common and Statute law - although the right to freedom of speech is coming in for a hammering from people on the left trying to erode it.