Posted on 05/10/2017 11:23:56 PM PDT by GraceG
I shared these on another site, and by the time i did i typed out basically a mini-thesis so i want to share with all the freeples!
[ Concerning CO2 levels and heating on Venus, Mars and Earth ]
CO2 has it's limits as a green house gas and it is a very low pressure, compared to Venus which is a very large pressure of CO2. Of course on earth CO2 was at over 1900 PPM during the Jurassic period but somehow dinosaurs were not running around on fire for some reason, of course plants loved that environment, which is why the eco sphere was able to support giant land dinosaurs like apatosaurus.... but if we go above 400 PPM today our modern plants will die and earth will turn into a flaming fire ball orbiting the sun because.... um.. science???? Go look it up on wikipedia, the CO2 levels during the era of dinosaurs was much much higher than today by over 7-10 TIMES! I guess dinosaurs and plants back then were fire-retardant....
Also H2O is a a more powerful green house gas than CO2 and it fluctuates from 0% to 4% and swings wildly every day, compared to CO2 which stays at roughly ~0.0360%. How we have survived such giant variations daily on this powerful greenhouse gas is beyond me at this time...
To answer your question on Mars it is the greater distance from the sun combines with the very low pressure of the atmosphere. Everyone these days thinks CO2 is a "Magic Greenhouse Gas" , it is not, it is like any other gas and follows the same laws any other gas does. The function of saturation vs. green house effect does have a saturation limit which means it's green house effect doesn't rise proportionally like line drawn at a 45 degree angle instead it more of a curve that after a point has diminishing returns.
Venus is hot as hell for 2 reasons, lack of plate tectonics, which causes heat to build up from the planet's molten core causing it to resurface itself ever 100 million years or so, and the sheer thickness of the atmosphere. Interestingly the planet Venus reflects a whole lot more energy from the sun due to it's high white sulfur dioxide clouds , the CO2 on Venus does act as a heat blanket, but at the pressures and densities any gas stable at the high temperatures would have nearly the same effect.
[ Concerning human impact on the environment vs. climate Change ]
Human's actions may or may not have a impact and there are many over looked areas of impact that no one seems to consider, instead, they all go after the CO2 boogieman.
Case in point, Urban Heat islands. After it snows wait a few days and drive tot he countryside, there will be more snow left in the country, due to the heat island effect, in cities you have direct heating from homes and cars ( this is the heat energy coming from heaters, people, car engines etc) , you have a asphalt, shingles and other dark structures which absorb IR heat, you have green lawns and trees too ( depending on the area more in the city per acre than in the countryside ). Heat rises, so imagine these giant columns of hot air over cities rising up and affecting the weather/jet stream. Probably does affect climate a lot more than most climate scientist realize.
Farming can also change the heat pattern of earth, a grassland has a heat potential for absorption which is less than a field of corn, crops are irrigated which cause large amounts of H20 to evaporate and H20 is ALSO a greenhouse gas. Also keep in mind that in America before the 1900s every decade or so you would have giant prairie fires that would burn across entire states releasing god knows how much soot and ash into the air. since we started farming, fencing and building roads ( roads act as fire breaks on the plains) there have been very few giant fires like there were over 150 years ago as well.
Yes, Humans DO affect the climate, we DO need stop dumping bad chemicals like Sulfur Gasses into the environment and dumping bad chemicals into rivers etc.... But CO2 is getting a undue bad rap, did you know that the higher the CO2 levels the less water a plant will need, it's true! Greenhouses sometimes utilize CO2 generators to make the plants grow faster. Earth's history the CO2 levels have been significantly higher and these high levels during the dinosaur era was what led to increased plant growth where the environment could support giant plant eating monsters like apatosaurus. Historically the earth is in a period where the CO2 levels are at some of the lowest they have been for the last 200 million years. Check Wikipedia, check the CO2 levels for the Jurassic, Triassic, and Cretaceous if you don't believe me.
Also they don't take into effect variables such as solar activity as much as they should as well. When either global warming / cooling is happening on both earth and mars at the same time , then either our CO2 is being blown off the earth by solar wind and drifting to mars ( this is obviously false as any amount would be entire negligible ) or increased solar output is the cause. Also the suns magnetosphere can affect climate as when the solar cycle weakens it allows more cosmic rays to make it to earth which act like nucleation centers for water droplets ( the reason cloud chambers work to track particles in old rime particle accelerators ) .that can also have an effect on climate.
Yes we need to recycle, yes we need to limit pollutants, but we shouldn't follow a "zero tolerance policy" on relatively harmless gasses such as CO2, we should however follow zero tolerance environmental policies on nasty carcinogens, gasses that can create acid rain, and biological impact chemicals like phytoestrogens and herbicide/ pesticides that have broad spectrum impacts on plants and animals.
You’re obviously wrong and need to take a few days to just ponder the facts until you draw the correct conclusion.
[ You’re obviously wrong and need to take a few days to just ponder the facts until you draw the correct conclusion. ]
The science is settled and i should know better than to question the orthodoxy.
I will report for re-education 1st thing in the morning!
Less than 1% of the Climate Nazis can speak semi-intelligently to the speculative projections inciting the political unrest.
Ultimately, the Climate Change battle is a battle of ignorance.
Agreed, that is why I am trying to red pill some people on the fence, get them to consider all the variables before they get taken in by the orthodoxy brainwashing of “because science says so” and think more about WHY is this happening, COULD there be any other factors, ARE the models accurate enough, etc etc...
Did you like my comment about dinosaurs running around on fire?
The more CO2 there is in the atmosphere, the more plant life will thrive and consume that CO2. The liberal predictions of catastrophe are completely unproven by science. As you said, CO2 levels have been much higher in the past than now, and life thrived. Like everything, global warming a political tool to liberals. They are scientific illiterates, and for them the only purpose of science is to use it as a political tool to push socialism.
>> Did you like my comment about dinosaurs running around on fire?
Definitely. Great post!
I guess dinosaurs and plants back then were fire-retardant.... misread - started laughing - what do retarded dinosaurs have to with globull warming -
Thanks for your thoughts and a good laugh
I just love the dark comedy of image of dinosaurs running in circles on fire screaming and bellowing until they burn up leaving nothing but bones....
Wait that didn’t happen during those millions of years CO2 levels were 7-10 TIME HIGHER THAN TODAY????
I know a bit of public input regarding Global climate changne that got my attention recently.
The last time Berkshire Hathaway was mentioned here at FR I seem to remember some push back, but nevertheless, I will relate what I saw and heard.
Annual meeting 2017 of Berkshire. Proposals to be voted on by the shareholders, one of which was to divest itself of all fossil fuel investments. Crazy idea, but had to listen to one American Indian and no less than Michael Mann among others, testify for just such an idea while expressing all of the fear and crappola that goes along with it. The final vote was a testament to the sanity of shareholders. For divestiture, seven thousand some odd, to I believe, six hundred THOUSAND, some odd, AGAINST, including the two bosses Charlie Munger and the Oracle himself.
Go to https//SacredGeometryInternational.com There, Randall Carlson as a five part essay on the role of carbon in our atmosphere. You will be amazed at his work and his conclusions.
Carlson believes that there is something called Climate Change, but that it is not totally anthropogenic. Humans might affect climate locally or even regionally, but not globally. There are other factors at play, which Carlson tries to nail down.
Carlson in the interviews I have heard believes that the whole Global Warming charade is just that...a charade and a scam. There are bigger fish to fry in his opinion. Anyway, check out his site, it is something that will not only red-pill you, but black pill, green pill and quite frankly pop your cork.
Go to http://sacredgeometryinternational.com There, Randall Carlson as a five part essay on the role of carbon in our atmosphere. You will be amazed at his work and his conclusions.
Carlson believes that there is something called Climate Change, but that it is not totally anthropogenic. Humans might affect climate locally or even regionally, but not globally. There are other factors at play, which Carlson tries to nail down.
Carlson in the interviews I have heard believes that the whole Global Warming charade is just that...a charade and a scam. There are bigger fish to fry in his opinion. Anyway, check out his site, it is something that will not only red-pill you, but black pill, green pill and quite frankly pop your cork.
Well, according to the Cambridge Encyclopedia of Astronomy ( 1977 ) Mars has 700 kg/m2 of atmospheric CO2, compared to 10 kg/m2 for Earth. That is, Mars has 70 times the amount, in absolute terms, of CO2 in its atmosphere, than does the Earth. And yet, this doesn’t keep Mars warm.
It’s a puzzle.
It is obvious you are the same weight as a duck, and therefore float on the water, and in doing so, are a witch.
From Carlson’s essay:
“However, one thing is absolutely certain.
The world we live in is going to change. It has changed on all meaningful time scales which we are capable of measuring. It is going to continue to undergo a variety of changes no matter what we humans do, no matter what kind of regulations, legislation, taxes, subsidies or carbon remediation schemes are ordained by the high priests of climate change.
And sometimes those changes will be catastrophic.”
http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/redemption-beast-carbon-cycle-demonization-co2-part-5
Here’s a more devastating fact- CO2 i nthe atmosphere as a direct result of man takes up just 0.00136% of the atmosphere- there is NO thick blanket of CO2 surrounding the globe- there simply is nowhere enough CO2 to create such a blanket- 0.00136% of the atmosphere is nowhere near a large enough amount ot cause global climate change- that small amount is not capable of trapping and creating enough heat to move the needle one way or the other one iota- period- end of story- the math doesn’t lie- only people with agendas involving bilking man out of trillions of dollars lie-
I doubt it. :-/
Oh climate change, woe to us all!
If only humans had the ability to adapt to a changing environment rather than perish en masse standing at water’s edge till the ocean claimed them, or falling from heatstroke for failing to shed layers of clothing, or starving because they decide not to use extended growing seasons and regions for agriculture.
Nope, this is the Perfect Climate On Earth (TM) right now, today, forever, and should humans fail to preserve it exactly as a fly in amber, through dubious efforts at massive expense, and massive enrichment and empowerment of a global cognoscenti, then extinction is a mere generation or two away. Dipso facto.
P.S. Don’t try to raise these points with coworkers when they ask why you’re blowing off the latest Climate Nonsequitur Indoctrination seminar; they will look at you as if you have 3 heads.
P.S.S. Don’t raise these points at said seminar if you value employment.
I will report for re-education 1st thing in the morning!
Good Job, and climate fanatics are no different than any other group of zealots.
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