Posted on 03/17/2017 6:48:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senator Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) is looking at a Canadian style single payer system.
It’s the second time in a month that Manchin has told constituents that he’s looking at a Medicare for all system to replace an unraveling Obamneycare.
Manchin has been clear that he will vote against the emerging Trumpcare/Ryancare that will balloon the ranks of the uninsured from 30 million under Obamneycare to 50 million.
A single payer system would leave zero people uninsured.
Under single payer, every citizen gets a birth certificate and a Medicare card at birth.
The United States pays per capita more than two and a half times more than industrialized countries with single payer systems.
At a town hall meeting in Martinsburg, West Virginia today, more than 200 people jammed the Robert Byrd Science Center.
Almost a quarter of the twenty or so questioners called on Manchin to get behind single payer.
HR 676 – the single payer bill in the House – has 65 co-sponsors. No Senator has introduced a similar bill in the Senate.
And by their reactions to single payer questions, the majority in the room wanted Manchin to sponsor a single payer bill in the Senate.
“I’m studying the whole Canadian system,” Manchin told Dr. Catherine Feaga of Shepherdstown, West Virginia after Dr. Feaga asked Manchin a question about the single payer system. “The Canadian system has better results longevity-wise, more wellness. But boy I tell you one thing. They make you toe the line. They don’t give you everything you want. They don’t give it to you when you want it.”
“Neither does our system,” one person yelled.
“It’s much different what we have today,” Manchin said. “In Canada, if you abuse it, you lose it. They are not going to let you come every day to a doctor.”
“They don’t let you come every day to a doctor here,” yelled another attendee.
“We are open to all of these things,” Manchin responded.
When a citizen challenged Manchin about his corporate contributions affecting how he votes, Manchin said – “money doesn’t affect how I vote.”
“But you have taken close to $300,000 from the pharmaceutical industry and $200,000 from the insurance industry over your career in the Senate,” the questioner said. “Maybe that is the reason why you haven’t introduced a single payer bill in the Senate.”
“Bernie Sanders hasn’t introduced it in the Senate either – why hasn’t Bernie introduced it?” Manchin shot back.
“I don’t know enough about single payer,” Manchin said. “But I’ll say this – I want the same quality of life that Canada has. I want the same longevity.”
When Manchin questioned whether a single payer system would cost more than what we are paying now, Lynn Yellott responded that according to a Commonwealth Fund study, 95 percent of Americans would pay less money than they do now – in terms of co-pays, deductibles and insurance premiums.
“I provided your staff last week with a financial analysis of HR 676,” Yellott told Manchin after Manchin said – “I don’t know enough about single payer.”
“I hope that you will take a close look at it,” Yellott told Manchin.
The session ended with questions from two citizens who spoke in favor of a single payer system.
“The German health care system took me in — everybody had coverage, no matter what their background, how much money they made,” said one man who identified himself as a veteran. “And it was effective. Everyone was in the system.”
“I’m open to everything and anything,” Manchin said.
The last questioner told Manchin that he should take some of the money he has taken from the pharmaceutical industry and “build us a long-term opiate treatment facility in Martinsburg.”
“We need some of that money you got from the pharmaceutical industry and build us a long term treatment facility,” the man said, who identified himself as a heroin survivor. “Write the check right now and build us a rehab facility. We know you’ve got the money. You took it from the pharmaceutical industry.”
So, isn’t “almost a quarter of the twenty questionnaires” wanting single payor less than 5 people? Wow, they worked hard to “fake” this one.
Trump if you ever read Free Republic, let me say this:
There are two ways for you to, in my humble opinion, throw away the huge support you got in the election.
The first, is if you do not aggressively fight to bring back jobs to America. Especially from China, and from Mexico.
The second, is you MUST, and I repeat, must insist on some form of healthcare for America where EVERYONE IS COVERED.
I don’t care where. I don’t care by whom. I don’t care what it is composed of.
But that is VERY important.
Those two issues, are the defining issues of your candidacy. Do them right.
Now let me say. I have supported Trump forever. Since before he even announced as a candidate. I am strongly supportive of his presidency.
But don’t blow either of these two issues Trump.
They will define your presidency.
Nope.
Garbage. Worse than Medicaid. The good doctors will not participate and you’ll need private insurance or pay out of pocket to get good, timely care. Hospitals will have a first class wing for paying customers and a third world wing for the government covered patients.
No, and stop your damn lying.
When in germany on my final tour, a out 1999, I lived in a german community. My neighbor’s father, about 75 yrs old, broke his shoulder. He was deemed young enough for immediate survery and care.
I’m telling you the truth...he died. A 75 year old died from a broken shoulder.
Do NOT let governments decide your health care and who is first in line. It truly is a death panel.
“The second, is you MUST, and I repeat, must insist on some form of healthcare for America where EVERYONE IS COVERED”
if that happens, we will no longer be a “free republic”
Health insurance is NOT a right
Canada only has about 35 million people to America’s 325 million, so health system comparisons are ridiculous. If there’s nothing seriously wrong with you, the Canadian system is adequate if you live in or near a city. Live out in the boonies, fuhget about it. The birthrate is very low among the Canucks, so they have had fairly free immigration from high baby producers of the Middle East. I don’t know if it is still this way, but Canadians pay a hefty tax for their health system, but it is a dedicated tax and can’t be used for non-health related programs. The veterans don’t have a separate system in Canada.
I have to laugh everytime someone talks about the hell we will pay if Obamacare is repealed. The numbers of uninsured are skyrocketing before our very eyes. Lying Liars who Lie to get their way is how we ended up with Obamacare. Single Payer is the worst thing that can happen to us. If this is all about the Big Employers wanting to dump medical insurance as an employee benefit, FINE. Just give the employee the amount of money dedicated to paying for these benefits as ‘non-taxable’ income and let them buy their own insurance that suits their personal needs. We don’t need no stinking govt. run insurance. This would end up in true competition among the insurance companies. Safety net programs could still be set up in the individual states to meet their own citizens’ needs. NO TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED BENEFITS FOR ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. If the Catholic Church and the Lutheran Samaritans want to do fund-raising for that, knock yourselves out. No more money for this refugee baloney.
I understand Jim Thompson is not an advocate for what I am saying.
I understand and respect him, I REALLY like this website, and I understand I am saying something contrary to what his position is.
But I see nothing whatsoever controversial in saying everyone needs healthcare.
Of some sort. I am not saying what sort. I am not saying who needs to provide it. I am not saying everyone needs the same system of healthcare.
I am not saying those things. But what I am saying is that America is the greatest country on the entire planet. It is inexcusable, that not all Americans have healthcare.
That is simply inexcusable.
I think your drinking moonshine. Trump has said he wants HSA & competition, continuously at rallies in position statements, speeches ect. Don’t confuse a saftey net with single payer.
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“It is inexcusable, that not all Americans have healthcare.”
This is a ridiculous statement. First off you are confusing healthcare with health insurance. Some people want or need neither. Some people don’t want to bother with health insurance. Some people are too lazy to bother with health insurance. Many of the people counted as without are without for a couple months between jobs. Medicaid and other saftey nets exist as well.
If you are truly poor & need healthcare you register at a hospital & are seen in the clinics, especially easy if you are illegal. It is not up to the Federal Government to provide health insurance other than an obligation to provide healthcare to veterans. The States have each developed a saftey net and the Feds contribute to it. Medicare is a pyramid scheme we seem to be stuck with but it would be great if we could take steps towards making it solvent.
It is a shame & a pity so many people forget that health care is not a right any more than food, shelter, clothing or a color TV. Charity is a blessing to give & to receive but its not a right.
When we confuse what we would like “Everyone should have medical care” with reality “medical care costs money & someone has to pay. If things are free you use more of them and squander them.” then we distort the economics of the situation.
The person who gets the healthcare should not be insulated from the costs. That takes all financial discipline out of the system and results in inefficiencies and out of control pricing.
Were these Soros rent-a-mob people?
Yup. Nothing there. : )
Same here. Went to my doctor on monday for serious neck pain, had xrays same morning, MRI on Friday and appointment with spine specialist the next week.
I don’t agree that health care is a right. I well remember what health care was like before government got involved in it. Medicare is somewhat okay because you pay into it and it was supposed to be a dedicated fund also (so much for supposed). Before government health care everyone paid a doctor for each visit and if you needed hospitalized he arranged it and you paid the hospital. All doctors competed and all hospitals competed. Big pharms were basically honest and drugs were inexpensive. My last child cost us $350 for the doctor and we had an inexpensive hospital insurance plan. That bill was fully paid. That was 1969, the year the U.S. put a man on the Moon. Tell me it can’t be done. Turn the doctors loose and tell them to fix the costs. Turn the insurance plans compete any place they desire and you will see prices plunge. Then have government hold hearings on the Big Pharms price gouging. I would like for doctors to charge small monthly payments so your bill would already be paid when you go to see him/her.
Actually we have neither. Our standard of living was once the highest in the world. It is no longer due to the fact we have created a welfare state. Other nations and they are few, do have as good and superior health care under socialized medicine, such as Canada, Norway, Sweden, Germany, and most significantly Switzerland. They have this high standard of health care due to industrious people that pay a hell of a lot of taxes but those taxes related to health care are still less than what we pay in the United States.
However, when you have a large amount of people that are on welfare and not productive tax paying citizens the burden on the health care system is immense and the quality will go down. It will go down dramatically.
The huge influx of migrants from the middle east have put an immense strain on the health care system of Germany. They have a good health care system. The quality will go down and will go down dramatically.
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I am not advocating socialized medicine nor private care. I am just stating facts. The real hell of it is we have socialized medicine in the United States and no one even realizes it. When you go to a hospital and have insurance a very large percentage of your bill is due to the fact these same hospitals must by law provide care for anyone that shows up in their ER. Your insanely high premiums are paying for those that have no insurance and can not pay or refuse to pay. That is back door socialized medicine. A lot of them but not most are illegal aliens.
If you pull the curtain back on single-payer...the only way that you can afford it, is by lessening your expectations.
Examples, if the gov’t only pays X-amount for a service, instead of six hospitals in your region providing that service....most will drop that service, and become mostly just clinics with limited services. You go from six to one...meaning that one can make a profit off this and the rest give up on profit ability and become less.
Another example would be a long discussion by your doctor , as you’ve started to go from stage three to stage four cancer, and he won’t sign off on more chemo treatments because the return factor isn’t high enough.
Another example, your doctor will say you need a new hip replacement or knee replacement...but you smoke and weigh 50 pounds more than accepted. So they deny you the replacement until you make it 60 days without a smoke, and have lost the 50 pounds. Naturally, you can’t exercise because of the bad hip so losing the 50 pounds will take you a year minimum. So you end up going to Cuba and paying some clinic there $8,000 for a new hip instead of using your ‘free’ health insurance in the US.
The mask is off. Everyone in the GOP not named Trump is a phony, a liberal that will do everything they can to undermine and overturn his agenda at every turn. The things they said they were for (tax cuts, overturning Obamacare, sweeping cuts of wasteful spending) a
The mask is off. Everyone in the GOP not named Trump is a phony, a liberal that will do everything they can to undermine and overturn his agenda at every turn. The things they said they were for (tax cuts, overturning Obamacare, sweeping cuts of wasteful spending) are suddenly off the table and beyond the pale with them. The vast majority of them are pure liars and frauds.
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