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To: rockrr
No he wasn't. He wasn't willing to go to war to fight for - or against slavery

The evidence indicates that he was very much interested in leaving everything just as it was till it became clear that he wasn't going to win easily.

And why not? If the object of the War is to get that money stream going again, the last thing he would want to do is wreck the golden goose which was paying for 3/4ths of the Federal Government, and pumping 300 million per year through New York and Boston.

But what he absolutely cannot let them do is become an independent economic rival to the Union.

As it turned out he ended up going to war over it anyway

Yes. He had two working plans to initiate belligerence with the South. If the Naval flotilla off the Coast of Charleston didn't start it, his warships heading for Ft. Pickens were going to start it anyways.

Lincoln had to have that war. That's why he insisted on keeping men in a fortress that had never been garrisoned in it's entire history, and which was utterly useless to the Union for anything other than a Causus belli.

"The plan succeeded. They attacked Sumter – it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could."
Abraham Lincoln to Orville Browning.

You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result.
Abraham Lincoln letter to Gustavus Fox.

513 posted on 12/05/2016 7:36:57 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
If the object of the War is to get that money stream going again...

Not a credible argument

He had two working plans to initiate belligerence with the South.

Zero evidence of any of this.

Lincoln davis had to have that war.

FIFY

514 posted on 12/05/2016 7:47:00 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp; rockrr; HandyDandy; x; DoodleDawg
DiogenesLamp: " 'The plan succeeded.
They attacked Sumter – it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could.'

Abraham Lincoln to Orville Browning."

Unlike the letter from Lincoln to Fox, these are not Lincoln's words.
They are Browning's words, and Browning was not a Lincoln loyalist, far from it.
So we would not necessarily expect Browning to report accurately on what Lincoln said, or meant by it.

In this case, Lincoln's actual words to Fox make it clear Lincoln considered his Fort Sumter resupply mission a failure, but consoles himself that at least war began because Confederates started it.

Browning was simply the DiogenesLamp of his day, twisting & distorting everything he touched to make Lincoln, and Republicans in general, look bad.

541 posted on 12/06/2016 2:53:52 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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