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US Civil War reading Recommendations?
Free Republic ^ | 11/23/2016 | Loud Mime

Posted on 11/23/2016 6:01:04 PM PST by Loud Mime

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To: DiogenesLamp; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "The Declaration gives all people the right to be independent and to form a government that suits their interests, you know, the way the 13 slave owning colonies did."

Nothing in the Declaration of Independence says or implies that if you provoke, start and formally declare war on the United States, you must necessarily expect to win.
Why would such a simple concept be so difficult for DiogenesLamp to grasp?

201 posted on 11/24/2016 5:44:05 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Liberty Ship
Liberty Ship: "I fear I must temper your response and references to what you learned in school with this quote from Gen Patrick Cleburne before he was killed at Nashville:"

President Andrew Johnson eventually pardoned all Confederates of such charges.
After the war state governments in all regions did their best to look after wounded veterans, voting money for hospitals and prosthetics.
To my knowledge, no wounded veterans were ever mocked.

1913 Gettysburg battle reunion:


202 posted on 11/24/2016 5:56:04 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "That is an interesting comment.
May we see your data on that?"

Sure, you can start reading here.

203 posted on 11/24/2016 6:00:21 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

“Sure, you can start reading here.”

I’m not sure what I was expecting when I saw your recommendation - perhaps a compelling reason why Lincoln decided it was necessary to kill 600,000 Americans. I didn’t find it.


204 posted on 11/24/2016 8:06:48 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

Yes, you are right. My bad. Interesting book though, completely different point of view from what I was taught.


205 posted on 11/24/2016 8:59:47 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: jeffersondem; BroJoeK
perhaps a compelling reason why Lincoln decided it was necessary to kill 600,000 Americans

That's your strawman, not BroJoeK's

206 posted on 11/24/2016 9:01:34 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Loud Mime

I might just want to recommend some excellent pieces of writing by the foremost expert on the subject. His name was Abraham Lincoln and some of his writings include his “House Divided” speech, his First Innaugural Address, The Gettysburg Address and his Second Innaugural Address.


207 posted on 11/24/2016 9:01:37 PM PST by HandyDandy (Don't make up stuff. It wastes time.)
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To: rockrr
“That's your strawman, not BroJoeK’s”

Are you the delegation BJK sent to inform me of the storyline?

208 posted on 11/24/2016 10:35:17 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem; rockrr; DiogenesLamp
Jeffersondem: "I’m not sure what I was expecting when I saw your recommendation - perhaps a compelling reason why Lincoln decided it was necessary to kill 600,000 Americans. I didn’t find it."

If you're looking for insanity, you'll find plenty in DiogenesLamp posts, all of which were addressed and debunked on that thread, among others.
Sanity begins when you first grasp that the decision for war was made by Jefferson Davis at Fort Sumter, exactly equivalent to the Japanese decision for war at Pearl Harbor.
The Confederacy then multiplied their commitment to war by issuing a formal declaration of war on May 6, 1861.
Finally they refused to stop fighting on any conditions more favorable than "Unconditional Surrender".

In Lincoln's First Inaugural on March 4, 1861, he promised Secessionists they could not have war unless they themselves started it.
So they immediately set about preparing to start war at Fort Sumter.

That's why responsibility for the Civil War dead & wounded belongs to Confederate leaders who started fighting and refused to stop short of unconditional surrender.

209 posted on 11/25/2016 5:34:26 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
The real fact is that nearly 80% of Southern cotton shipped directly from Gulf Coast ports to their European customers, not through New York as DL pretends.

You are the master of the irrelevant. All that cotton was shipped on New York controlled ships and under New York controlled contracts.

210 posted on 11/25/2016 7:29:28 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK

Not going to read your “Marxist” nonsense.


211 posted on 11/25/2016 7:30:40 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
Not going to accept your bullsh*t pronouncements either.

Lincoln started the war. He did so deliberately and with malice aforethought.

212 posted on 11/25/2016 7:31:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
If you're looking for insanity, you'll find plenty in DiogenesLamp posts, all of which were addressed and debunked on that thread, among others.

Not "debunked", more like drowned in the stream of irrelevant crap you deliberately put forth in order to abfuscate the salient point; That Money, specifically the loss of huge sums of it to the power structure of the New York/Washington Axis, was the reason why the Union invaded the South to stop their independence from that power structure.

Same trouble we face today. New York/Washington controls the nation, and the rest of us pay tribute.

213 posted on 11/25/2016 7:34:37 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: lurk
"Lee’s Lieutenants by Freeman"

Hands down the quintessential read for the history of the Army of Northern Virginia.

214 posted on 11/25/2016 7:35:17 AM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "All that cotton was shipped on New York controlled ships and under New York controlled contracts. "

You assertion on this, as with everything else, is not supported by data, only by your own pro-Confederate mythology.
The real truth is that cotton producers chose whichever shippers they wished, based on various factors, including price and availability.
Nothing prevented them from using Southern owned & operated ships, and shipping directly to their European customers.

215 posted on 11/25/2016 7:45:13 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: rockrr
I can't believe it hasn't made the list yet. If you haven't read it yet, you are missing out on one of the best Civil War reads out there.


216 posted on 11/25/2016 7:48:51 AM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: BroJoeK
“. . . the decision for war was made by Jefferson Davis at Fort Sumter, exactly equivalent to the Japanese decision for war at Pearl Harbor.”

You are wrong about Fort Sumter being a sneak attack by Confederates. Start with that.

217 posted on 11/25/2016 7:49:12 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: BroJoeK
Bro, you are fond of sending us all links to various histories. Well the fact that all the shipping was locked up by the New England/New York shipping industry just happens to be one of the things that you sent to me.

Do you not even read your own links?

218 posted on 11/25/2016 8:05:44 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Godebert

Thanks, I’ve added it to my list. I know that a lot of FReepers are down on amazon - and rightfully so - but I have found them useful for locating serviceable copies of these books. I have added over a half-dozen titles to my library, often for just 2-3 dollars.


219 posted on 11/25/2016 8:07:44 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln started the war.
He did so deliberately and with malice aforethought."

No more than FDR attacked the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
No more than any US President who resupplies and reinforces Guantanamo starts war with Cuba.

Remember, your pro-Confederate fantasies and myths can only go so far before they run into rock-hard reality.

220 posted on 11/25/2016 1:36:44 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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