[DiogenesLamp]

You’re still trying miserably to resurrect your absurd assertion. Of course secession isn’t precluded by a union that was freely joined, but THAT is not what happened. Lincoln went against all the wishes of the founders, IMO.

A right granted by God may not be forsworn by scribblings on paper by men.

There is no means by which you can legally bind a people and compel them to give up a right granted by God.

The founders of this nation clearly recognized that Independence is a right granted by God, and as such it may not be subjugated to "contracts", or "agreements" to abrogate it.

It is absolute, and unalienable.

[Gaffer]

You just are disintegrating in your arguments, however I might agree or disagree with them, from the original assertion and definition I put forth you felt you just had to contradict.

You have a beef with me about something else (we both know what) and that prompted you to enter into all this - and you lose.