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Hydrogen cost could equal 50-cent gasoline, with renewable energy: study
Green Car Reports ^ | August 19, 2016 | Stephen Edelstein

Posted on 08/21/2016 11:27:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Hydrogen fuel-cell cars face an uphill battle toward mass adoption.

Both cars and fueling infrastructure need to be made widely available before large numbers of consumers can seriously consider switching from gasoline to hydrogen.

But under certain circumstances, hydrogen could prove very attractive to consumers for one simple reason.

When produced using renewable energy, hydrogen could cost nearly the equivalent of 50-cent-per-gallon gasoline, according to a study by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL).

That will only happen if "the stars align" and several factors work in hydrogen's favor, notes industry trade journal WardsAuto noted in a June report on the findings.

The NREL plan assumes large-scale production of hydrogen through electrolysis, but with renewable energy used to provide the majority of electricity in place of fuels that produce high levels of carbon emissions.

Thanks to anticipated emissions standards for power plants and other factors, the NREL anticipates much greater use of renewable energy in the coming decades. Renewable sources could generate as much as 80 percent of U.S. electricity by 2050 using currently-available technology, according to NREL data....

(Excerpt) Read more at greencarreports.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; energy; hindenburg; hydrogen; transportation
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, said another way, hydrogen cells will work great provided we install a trillion dollars of infrastructure and outlaw all the alternatives.

A cheap, clean alternative fuel already exists: CNG. But that means using natural gas and that’s eeeeeeevillll.


21 posted on 08/21/2016 11:57:11 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Make phone calls. Knock on doors. Write letters. Or wake to a nightmare in November)
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To: Grams A
Exactly.

Why bother, unless out of necessity or for specific applications, when hydrocarbons are a heck of a lot cheaper, easier, and safer to utilize as energy, as is, for the most part?

22 posted on 08/21/2016 11:58:34 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With a hundred and fifty percent county,state and federal taxes on it to bring it right back to three fifty a gallon. Oh yeah, and imagine granny trying to fuel up??


23 posted on 08/21/2016 12:01:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gasoline is already 50 cents a gallon. Its the 2 dollars of tax the goobermint tacks on


24 posted on 08/21/2016 12:02:49 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Hillary Clinton, the elderly woman's version of "I dindu nuffins.")
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To: Leaning Right

Assuming you read the article, the issue us about the ROI on building wind and solar=powered electrolysis plants. This means you don’t need power transmission lines but creates new issues of how to transport and distribute hydrogen. Storage in metal hydrides has the most promise, but hydrogen is such a small molecule it will leak through places other gasses cannot.

Keep the government out of it and let private industry and private capital decide which technology best meets the needs of people who will actually pay for it.


25 posted on 08/21/2016 12:03:30 PM PDT by bigbob (The Hillary indictment will have to come from us.)
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To: roadcat

“Wishful thinking.”

Take away that and they’ve got nothing.


26 posted on 08/21/2016 12:03:51 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Makes no sense to me”

Kind of like a Chevy Volt which adds hundreds of lbs of weight and thousands of dollars in cost, so you can go around 35 miles on electricity...or approximately the range of 1 gallon of gas.


27 posted on 08/21/2016 12:04:34 PM PDT by lacrew
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To: Gamecock

How about Tritium? Deuterium?


28 posted on 08/21/2016 12:08:48 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When hydrogen combusts with oxygen, it released water vapor; a green house gas far more potent than CO2.

Just saying....


29 posted on 08/21/2016 12:09:00 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As soon as the infrastructure is in place and a significant number of people switch over the subsidies disappear and the taxes start popping up.


30 posted on 08/21/2016 12:09:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (~Our government lies and the media helps them.~)
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To: SkyDancer

Oh yeah, and imagine granny trying to fuel up??


I heard the same thing when full-service gas stations died out and Granny had to fill her own tank at self-serv.

Going back even further, I’ve driven cars with mechanical brakes on them, as opposed to hydraulic. It took legs of steel to stop a car. Amazingly, Granny drove those things, too.

Go back a little further to cars that required a hand crank to start. There were many broken arms resulting from those damn things. Yet, there Granny was.

It’s a good thing we don’t base our technology on what we don’t think Granny can do.


31 posted on 08/21/2016 12:09:42 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Gamecock

That should be: HUGH MANATEE!

Seriesly!


32 posted on 08/21/2016 12:13:02 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And practical fusion energy has been 20 years down the road for at least the last 40 years.


33 posted on 08/21/2016 12:15:50 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: TheNext

I don’t understand.


34 posted on 08/21/2016 12:20:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Gen.Blather

In these cars, the hydrogen passes through a membrane to generate electricity.


35 posted on 08/21/2016 12:20:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: roadcat

Flush, then fill up: Japan taps sewage to fuel hydrogen-powered cars
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/


36 posted on 08/21/2016 12:20:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Hydrogen can be manufactured using many different substances.


37 posted on 08/21/2016 12:20:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The price per gallon is only half the story. What are the miles per gallon for hydrogen?


38 posted on 08/21/2016 12:20:46 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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Sounds good. You get “free” hydrogen by electrolysis of water using a solar panel.
Now what? Attach a giant H2 balloon to the back of your car?
No.
So you have to compress the H2 into a tank small enough to fit in the car and propel it some hundreds of miles. Smaller tanks mean more compression.

What runs the compressor? Conventional energy sources.


39 posted on 08/21/2016 12:29:15 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: lacrew

Found this article:

I tried a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Here’s what it was like.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/01/24/i-tried-a-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle-heres-what-it-was-like/

“Fuel economy obsessives will find lots to like about this car. On a full tank, the Highlander has a range of 300 or 400 miles, according to Chris Santucci, the Toyota engineer sitting in the passenger seat beside me. Filling up takes about five minutes — not much longer than your typical vehicle — but you can go much farther than even today’s best hybrids. The Toyota Prius gets about 50 miles to the gallon; the Highlander gas-electric hybrid gets about 27 under optimal conditions. The hydrogen-based Highlander? Sixty miles per gallon.”


40 posted on 08/21/2016 12:35:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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