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I am a Southerner
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/i-am-a-southerner-i-wont-apologize.13443/ ^

Posted on 04/14/2016 9:36:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

I am a Southerner...

I won't apologize I won't be reconstructed. I will not surrender My identity, my heritage. I believe in the Constitution, In States' Rights, That the government should be the Servant, not the Master of the people. I believe in the right to bear arms, The right to be left alone. I am a Southerner... The spirit of my Confederate ancestors Boils in my blood. They fought Not for what they thought was right, But for what was right. Not for slavery, But to resist tyranny, Machiavellian laws, Oppressive taxation, invasion of his land, For the right to be left alone. I am a Southerner... A rebel, Seldom politically correct, At times belligerent. I don't like Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Or modern neocon politicians like them. I like hunting and fishing, The Bonnie Blue and "Dixie" I still believe in chivalry and civility. I am a face in the Southern collage of Gentlemen and scholars, belles and writers, Soldiers and sharecroppers, Cajuns and Creoles, Celts and Germans, freedmen and slaves. We are all the South. The South...My home, my beautiful home. My culture, my destiny, my heart. I am a Southerner...


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To: kvanbrunt2; Adder; Bull Snipe; Bodleian_Girl; NKP_Vet; yoe; tumblindice; Secret Agent Man; ...
kvanbrunt2: "...my point is that this 3/5ths invalidates the entire constitution in the eyes of the unwashed/uneducated. and it is cannon fodder for the left. white man privilege..."

But there's a key point here which very few people seem to grasp.
Many people like to say, "slavery was America's original sin", as if the US Constitution was a good idea except that somehow or other, slavery got included.

The key point to grasp is that slavery was not some afterthought somewhat accidentally added to the Constitution.
Instead, slavery was a precondition, first for the economic viability of Southern colonies, and then for the very existence of the United States as a single country.
In other words: without accepting slavery in states where it was lawful, there could have been no United States and no Constitution, period.
The reason is simple and obvious, though largely forgotten these days: if the new US Constitution had been anti-slavery, the South would not have ratified it.

And, in 1860 every Northerner fully understood this, that's why the new anti-slavery Republican Party opposed slavery in the North, and in US territories which didn't want it, but never before the Civil War advocated restricting slavery in the South.

81 posted on 04/17/2016 2:31:02 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

The reverse is also true. If there had been a line item in the Constitution declaring that slavery was legal, the Northern states would not have ratified the Constitution. Hence no United States. The restriction of slavery to the South was a direct result of the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court in 1857. Prior to that court case, the efforts of the abolitionist movement was to get the U.S. Government to outlaw slavery. After Dred Scott, they realized that there was no legal route for the Federal Government to end slavery in the States where it was legal. The abolitionists changed their efforts to preventing the introduction of slavery into the territories of the U.S.


82 posted on 04/17/2016 4:43:13 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Bull Snipe: "The restriction of slavery to the South was a direct result of the Dred Scott decision..."

Dred Scott did more than that.
It effectively declared abolition unconstitutional, even in Northern states.
First it said that property (a slave) was always property, regardless of which state it was taken to.
So slave-holders could take hundreds of slaves to any northern state, and keep them there as slaves.
Then Dred Scott said, Africans could never be freed citizens with normal rights, such as voting and serving on juries.

This was much further in the direction of pro-slavery than our Founders were willing to go in 1786, and it provoked a Northern backlash against slavery, fueling the new Republican party's popularity.

83 posted on 04/18/2016 3:27:37 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well its been over one hundred and fifty years Reb. Did you get any money yet? And wheres mine for my Yankee ancestors shooting the shit out of yours?


84 posted on 04/18/2016 10:58:54 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: yoe

Oh give it up with that s!t already! You Rebs opened fire on Ft. Sumter and the battle was on. You lost the war. Get over it.


85 posted on 04/18/2016 11:00:42 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: central_va

Hi ya General! Listen bub. The North went to war to preserve the Union and won. The South went to war to preserve slavery and lost everything. Keep that in mind General THE SOUTH LOST THE WAR!!


86 posted on 04/18/2016 11:03:38 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Are you proud to be an American? I am.


87 posted on 04/18/2016 11:04:52 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

Good for you. :-)


88 posted on 04/18/2016 11:41:56 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I take it then you are too?


89 posted on 04/18/2016 11:50:34 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

Take it anyway you want.


90 posted on 04/18/2016 4:05:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m guessing you consider yourself a ‘’Southerner’’ and not an American.


91 posted on 04/18/2016 5:53:27 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

Guessing means you don’t know. :-)


92 posted on 04/18/2016 6:17:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ok, so can you answer a simple question? Do you consider yourself an American or a Southerner?


93 posted on 04/18/2016 7:15:02 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

I thought you already “assumed” you knew in one post and then “guessed” in another. Maybe if you concentrate real hard it will come to you in a vision. :-)


94 posted on 04/18/2016 7:31:37 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BroJoeK

Instead, slavery was a precondition, first for the economic viability of Southern colonies, and then for the very existence of the United States as a single country.>>>> thx i do remember that in my reading then, would it have been better or possible to create a republic based on not accepting those pre conditions seperately? and what would we have had without the south in the new republic. could we have actually survived 1812+ without the south to defend? don’t know thx for the pushing the thot buttons in my head.


95 posted on 04/18/2016 8:46:20 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: NKP_Vet

Hear hear!

Many Yankees understand

That’s why they are moving here

It’s brainwashed southern millenials after college I’m worried about


96 posted on 04/18/2016 8:48:21 PM PDT by wardaddy (gonna need a lot of rope and lamposts and gibbets after this primary season.....)
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To: Adder

Women couldn’t vote either as a rule maybe they should have been counted as 4/5ths?


97 posted on 04/18/2016 8:50:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (gonna need a lot of rope and lamposts and gibbets after this primary season.....)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

You’re a pathetic excuse for a southerner

Don’t apologize on my behalf please

How old are you?

You know though....you could be anything

Half the posters here with Texas in their nicks aren’t from there and are boot licking race baiters

Maybe you’d be better off at Morris Dees joint


98 posted on 04/18/2016 8:55:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (gonna need a lot of rope and lamposts and gibbets after this primary season.....)
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To: Pelham
How come George Washington kept slaves?

How come tens of thousands of blacks owned slaves?

99 posted on 04/18/2016 9:02:11 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dp0622
Ask him if he is OK with Polygamous Marriage and Incestuous Marriage.

If he says yes, ask him why he isn't fighting to implement them Federally like Gay Marriage so the People who just want to be with the ones they Love can live their lives without being treated like Lawbreaking Second Class Citizens.

If he says no, ask him how he can live with himself being such a Bigoted Hypocrite.

100 posted on 04/18/2016 9:14:42 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (It is better to live one day as a lion than one hundred years as a sheep)
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