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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

That’s my opinion too. It was not defined in the Constitution. The definition could be proposed as a Constitutional Amendment, and duly ratified.

Congress has powers pertaining to uniform rules for naturalization. Naturalization does not pertain to natural born citizens-hence not within Congress’s jurisdiction.


45 posted on 04/07/2016 7:44:02 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Exactly. Natural born meant something. Whatever it meant is what we live with if we are truly respecting the Constitution.


46 posted on 04/07/2016 8:07:14 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: greeneyes

[[Naturalization does not pertain to natural born citizens-hence not within Congress’s jurisdiction.]]

Correct- congress gets to define who needs to be naturalized and who doesn’t- they don’t define who a natural born citizen is- anyone that doesn’t need to be naturalized is naturally a natural born citizen- there are only 2 ways to be a citizen, as explained by several court opinions- one is to be born into it either AT BIRTH or BY BIRTH (jus Soli or Jus Sanguinis- both of which are birthright citizenship) OR to become a citizen AFTER BIRTH- Those who need to become a citizen after birth are not citizens at birth or by birth- and therefore are foreigners who have no right to citizenship- IE they need to be naturalized via a process via an act of congress-

A sovereign citizen parent has every right to have their citizenship passed to their child under natural law AND the law of nations- As sovereigns- their child enjoys the same rights and privileges that they do- as sovereigns, they are NOT subjects of any other nation- they are sovereigns of this nation first and foremost

A child born to a sovereign citizen automatically is assumed to have the same allegiance to the US as the parent does because the child can not choose an allegiance yet for themselves until they are 18 years of age legally- Simply because a mother travels on vacation overseas, and either can’t travel back to the US to have a child, or chooses not to- doesn’t mean that the woman has formally renounced her citizenship here and taken the pledge of allegiance to another country- She is still a sovereign citizen of this country- and so is her child who’s allegiance is the same as their parents until they are 18 and can either continue in allegiance to the US OR renounce their us citizenship status and pledge allegiance to another country in that country’s foreign citizenship ceremony-


47 posted on 04/07/2016 8:45:06 PM PDT by Bob434
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