Posted on 02/05/2016 9:46:39 AM PST by amorphous
...The Russian-Turkish conflict in Syria is not going to be an easy one for either party. If Russia threatens to cripple Turkey by cutting-off the gas supplies, it will also hurt Russia's economy while Muslim Azerbaijan will gladly provide Turkey with a new gas-hookup bringing the Turkic states closer to Istanbul and further from Moscow. On the other hand, the increasing Muslim global menace is the fire necessary for Christendom's refinement, unity, and even bringing Jerusalem (which no longer trusts Turkey) closer to Cyprus.
This conflict is the new equilibrium that will create the neo-Ottoman hegemony to form the nations of Ezekiel 38. The crucial factor to be considered is that if Turkey and Russia had a full out blown war in Syria, Turkey will initially be the victor. Putin's military options are constrained. He has only limited forces in Syria and the Trans-Caucasus area bordering Turkey, while Ankara has the second-largest fleet of F-16s in the world and the second-largest army in NATO. It also has logistical and geographical advantages that include control of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Russia’s egress to Syria.
But even if Turkey initially wins, it will eventually be crushed by Russia, but only in the end. This is rooted in history stretching back to the Ottoman Empire. At one point or another, the Ottoman Turks ruled over or defeated all of modern Turkey's neighbors except Russia. Between the fifteenth century, when the Ottoman and Russian Empires became neighbors, and 1917, the year of the Bolshevik revolution, the two peoples fought at least seventeen long wars, all of them instigated - and won - by the Russians...
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And they were allies. It was obviously very foolish for Nazi Germany to invade Russia. But Hitler had motives and interests that don’t exist between Turkey and Russia. Russia does not want to occupy Syria, they just want Assad to stay in power so that they have a port and Iran has a client state. Russia would be better off with an intact Turkey than an independent Kurdistan.
Just the opposite - You are forgetting the Russians have their most advanced weapons in place for which there is no counter as yet. Resupply through Northern ports and by air over Iran - where most supplies are coming in from now.
There are no US/NATO missiles which can currently get past the S400 and S300 bateries. No planes can get close enought to the coast to launch stand off missiles.
The Turks will lose control of the Kurds and disaster will follow.
And if that doesn't do it, don't be surprised if Russia arms these missiles with tactical nukes - Putin has already hinted that it might become necessary to use them. And, IMO, Putin will do what ever it takes to keep Syria from becoming an Islamic state - even if it means the total destruction of Syria (Isaiah 17).
Don’t be so sure. The difference between modern Russia and the Soviet Union, is the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. And reclaiming Constantinople has been the goal of the Orthodox for centuries.
Yes, but they were all before the 20th century. They have been allies the last 23 years.
Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Trading partners not allies ...
Will do; for now I have to go walk the dog.
From my post #43:
And if that doesn't do it, don't be surprised if Russia arms these missiles with tactical nukes - Putin has already hinted that it might become necessary to use them. And, IMO, Putin will do what ever it takes to keep Syria from becoming an Islamic state - even if it means the total destruction of Syria (Isaiah 17).
I don’t believe Turkey would invade Syria, and I don’t think NATO would support Turkey if Russia responded in the appropriate manner.
Not sure about “allies.” There is some “reshuffling” of people taking place since the shutdown of the Russian aircraft. Turkish workers moving back to Turkey from Russia and vice-versa. Looking at a recent video, there was not much room left for aircraft/helicopters at Erebuni.
I think you are looking at this all wrong. Russia doesn’t care about ISIS and they are only fighting a portion of ISIS. Russia just wants Assad’s state to continue, because their ally Iran demands it, and because they want to use that port. But this isn’t a “Christians helping other Christians against Muslims” story, because Russia is there at Iran’s behest.
Leave Nato/Caliphate!
Turkey has already started the war by shooting down a Russian jet. The Russians stated they were stabbed in the back. Obvious where all that is going.
ISIS is the proxy in this. Now SA is threatening to put boots on the ground in Syria as well. The west is siding with the Sunni factions for now, represented in some part by ISIS, while Russia is with the Shias (Iran and the Syrian government). Russia cares about ISIS in that it represents those opposed to its own several interests - however hidden.
The Russians won't cross this red line. Because it would result in the destruction of the Russian military via nuclear attack. Anything less would mean the dissolution of NATO.
Russia is an ally with Saudi Arabia, too.
They hate each other more than us.
I doubt the Euroweenies are up to the task anyhow.
Including Russia.
Russia will stomp a mud puddle in Turkey’ chest.
The whole action will take about 3 weeks, first they take out Turkey’s Central Government, Command & Control and Air Force & Bases with missiles and then wipe out their ground forces from the air.
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