Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

To: Duchess47; Cboldt; poconopundit; Helicondelta
Cruz is a lawyer, and as any good lawyer knows, facts, proof, documentation are essential to proving your case. So Cruz has taken a position that he is an NBC because his mother was a U.S. at the time of his birth. Forget what the courts may or may not say about his NBC status. Let's just try and determine if he has met the administrative standard to be a U.S. citizen.

Cruz has provided his Canadian Birth Certificate and his mother's Delaware birth certificate. This establishes his birth to a woman born in the U.S. At this point, we do not know if his mother is still a U.S. citizen or born in the U.S. This is important, because the CRBA requires proof of U.S. citizenship by at least one parent. We also know through news reports that Cruz' parents were eligible to vote in Canadian elections and were listed as Federal electors. So was Ted's mother a U.S. Citizen or Canadian citizen at that time?

Now here are the relevant parts of the CBRA instructions.

A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child's U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.

So for Cruz to establish his citizenship and to be living in the U.S. by law, he or his parents needed to apply for and have approved a CRBA and a U.S. passport. Cruz has thus far provided neither. So at the present time, beyond providing his mother's birth certificate, Cruz cannot even prove he is a U.S. citizen. The merits of his NBC status are irrelevant at this point. Cruz has his records sealed and this should concern everyone. Cruz has thus far advanced a legal position of his NBC status that he cannot at the present moment prove. I will note that the CRBA states that a child "may acquire citizenship at birth" which to me is a whole different category than NBC. If you were an NBC there would be no need to "acquire" citizenship.

153 posted on 01/17/2016 7:08:30 PM PST by usafa92 (Conservative in Jersey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 125 | View Replies ]


To: usafa92
If Cruz didn't have a CRBA, he is still a citizen-at-birth, subject to proving it either to the INS (Certificate of Citizenship) or a court. This is a fact inquiry, looking for evidence of his mother's citizenship at the time he was born, and her residence in the US before he was born.

I am not going to discuss the contention that his mom was a Canadian citizen. You guys play there all you want. Leave me out. I am not going to explain.

He's a naturalized US citizen, and everybody who knows how to read the case law knows it. All of us know it. The only we don;t know is what SCOTUS would do, but it seems stupid to think they'd save Cruz's bacon, unless SCOTUS wants to amend the constitution to allow naturalized citizens to be President - a pile of dudu that I doubt they want to step in.

163 posted on 01/17/2016 7:20:28 PM PST by Cboldt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies ]

To: usafa92

I think the CRBA is a double edge sword for Ted. If he has one, it obviously shows he is a citizen by regulations, not by birth. If he doesn’t have one, how the heck did he get into the US? How did he get a passport? I doubt his parents just waltzed across the border and took up residence in Texas.


166 posted on 01/17/2016 7:22:45 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies ]

To: usafa92

“Cruz has his records sealed”

You mean to tell me we have to go through that sealed records gambit AGAIN????


173 posted on 01/17/2016 7:29:41 PM PST by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies ]

To: usafa92
...So for Cruz to establish his citizenship and to be living in the U.S. by law, he or his parents needed to apply for and have approved a CRBA and a U.S. passport.

Sound like you're either a lawyer or an immigration official, usafa92.

Regardless, what you've just explained is eye opening and very concerning.

Who would have figured that something his parents forgot to do when he was 4 years old could open a Pandora's box?

So as I read this, there are two outstanding questions now: (1) natural born qualification to be President, and (2) proper documentation to be a U.S. citizen.

This issue is not going to die.   FReepers have been squabbling about this for a couple weeks now with no consensus.

IMHO, Cruz needs to put this issue to rest.   He should get his paperwork together and hold a press conference.


178 posted on 01/17/2016 7:35:31 PM PST by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson