Posted on 01/16/2016 3:43:22 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Stinkin’ Canadian. Dang feriner, conspirin’ to come over here and replace our delicious, crispy, all-American bacon with that floppy, communist, Canadian crap. And Budweiser? Like your Budweiser? Forget it. If he’s elected, it’s nothing but that skunky Molson swill for you, my friend. Football? Banned. It’s all sticks, pucks and missing teeth from here on out. A wall on the southern border? ISIS? TB-infected Mesicans and Central Americans? Ha! A mere diversion. Trump needs to build that wall up north to keep commie Canucks like Ted Cruz out of the White House.
He’s gaining on The Donald, you see. And so finally the question of his eligibility to serve as our 45th U.S. president is fair game. Oh, sure, Ted grew up in Houston, Texas. And, oh, sure, his mother, who happened to be over the border in Canada when Ted was born, is a U.S citizen, herself born in Wilmington, Delaware, which, oh, sure, automatically makes Ted a U.S. citizen from birth. But, hey! I, the guys down at the Elks Lodge with their pocket constitutions and whatnot, and Donald Trump, who, with his own political self-interests in mind has suddenly flip-flopped on the subject, all disagree. Ted Cruz is ineligible to serve as President of the United States based upon our extreme-minority take on the phrase, “Natural-born citizen.â€
For that matter, and based upon our own arbitrary and narrow definition – I know, it’s not defined in the Constitution, but derpity derp derp anyway – some might suggest that eight of the first nine U.S. presidents should have been ineligible to serve as well. Since they were all born as British citizens in the British colonies, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, et al., should have been, one and all, constitutionally ineligible.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Correct. Obama was and still remains INELIGIBLE.
Frank Davis was born in the USA. So it is quite possible that Obama did have an American mother and father.
His public story is just a pack of lies, so no one knows for sure.
Stupidest article ever.
And Matt Barber is usually a reasonably intelligent fellow.
Elections cut the national IQ at least in half, I swear.
APPLAUSE!
I even remember my teacher getting fed up with all the *What if?* questions about different places / mixed nationality parents and she finally said -
Look - if you can pick something else you aren't natural born.
A lot of Americans are born abroad to US Citizen parents. People travel, and then there are Military Brats. Step Daughter was born in Japan, had dual citizenship, passport at 3 days old. At one point had to decide which country to claim. American of course. Her dad had to remind her of it. Just being born in a US Military Hospital does not make one an American citizen it is NOT US Soil. His own mother was a Canadian Naturalized US Citizen married to a US Citizen. He was born in the USA which made him a ‘natural born US citizen’.
Same for my Dad, his parents were from Italy, became naturalized citizens, he was born after they became US Citizens. He married a US Citizen. Using the illogical term would make him and all his children Italians, none of us have anything but US Birth Certificates. We were all born in US hospitals.
Repeating research [again] that no one has yet to effectively challenge, and I wish they could because we have so many important issues to discuss and Cruz has been ineffective.
Quick version: only the FATHER determines natural born status, and I’m curious if Professor Laurence Tribe now refutes Obama’s eligibility as well ...
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The first from the law of nations, which requires the child to be born to 2 citizen parents and on American land. The second under British Common Law, as seen in Blackstone’s commentaries, which, though it removes the requirement of being born in the US, transmits the ‘natural born’ status through the father, not the mother.
Hence why a couple of the liberal scholars keep saying ‘under an Originalist view, Cruz would not be eligible,’ because that’s exactly true. A renowned originalist constitutional scholar (frequently cited by the supreme court) even said the same thing: ‘Cruz is not eligible.’
[unquote — post by Greetings Puny Humans]
Thank you for the link.
Now I see the problem, Mister Valentine, and God bless you. I’ve done the same thing myself, remembering things in abbreviated form until I garble it.
Without any intention of tricking anyone, you tried to rewrite Vittel to keep it up-top-date.
I am CERTAIN that’s what they did when defending Obama.
But Vittel can’t be rewritten. Only modern thought gets rewritten.
The rewriting effort:
‘In modern times, when both mothers and fathers are equally respected as bequeathers of citizenship at birth, this paragraph must be read as follows ...’
“There are millions of natural born citizens in the country. Obama is not one, Cruz is not one, Rubio is not one.”
There’s just one problem. By allowing the Obama to remain in
office and be reelected without impeachment the precedent
has been set. The same for Lois Lerner. Now anyone on the
planet can be president and they can use the IRS against
their political opponents as long as they are establishment liberal.
You may be right but its
to late to do anything about it now. Besides the only
people forced to strictly follow the Constitution are
conservatives, everyone else is exempt.
Cruz apparently did pull some stunt with the FEC regarding his Goldman Sachs loan ...
[I arranged for a recent debate on the controversy here ...]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2636478/posts?page=914#914
... but I think he could still be a powerful force for good. Maybe not as President this time around though. He should season himself at the executive level regardless.
FRegards ....
And here’s another thing — we should amend the Constitution to accomodate Cruz in the future.
Maybe scholars who speak English, pass Hillsdale constitutional studies, and meet other qualifiers should also be eligible? Just tossing that out there.
FRegards ....
Mr. Franklin, what have you given us?
“A republic, if you can keep it.”
Mr. Obama, how will you destroy the republic?
“I have a pen and a phone.”
BTW, a compelling quote of Tucker. Makes me think of a certain guy named Barry S. [aka O, aka Zero, aka BO aka B-H-O aka Obama-Messiah.]
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
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Reading comprehension problems. huh?
You guys nailed it. 14th amendment does not apply.
Sorry Prince, but ‘We’re gonna party like it’s 1799!’
It prevents rule by child proxy, which we are under currently.
Ted is a natural US citizen. He doesn't say Pockystain, he's a Christian, he eats the same food we do. He's an American through and through. It's not an act. He's naturally a US citizen, with allegiance to US, not the queeranus, or the luciferian globalists, neither of which are natural.
It's much more than where ya was berfed, it's who you are!
‘Cruz has not sued in court for equal protection under the 14th. The Congress must apply the same standard to all citizens.’
We have imperfection heaped overtop imperfection in constitutional interpretation. It’s like a child’s finger painting. The Establishment sees what it wants to see and can flip on a dime.
They are hypocrites who want to destroy Cruz. So he’ll be made a heroic martyr who took on the Establishment. And I don’t want the conservative voter dragged down the same hole along with him, particularly when it flies in the face of original intent.
He will make a compelling argument, they will refuse to help [already did], and the judicial branch probably can’t demand the senate pass any resolution. That would cause chaos in the legislative branch and make the oligarchs far too powerful. Nope ... they will leave him hanging and the oligarchs-in-robes will pick another time and place to expand their power, certainly not for Cruz.
Hallelujah. It can’t get any simpler than that.
Constitutional in origin, yes, but it depends on a statute.
Cruz would have us invert the normal operation of law (all citizenship being a question of law), by having acts of Congress become superior over the constitution. This is subversive of the constitution.
If we look the the constitution first, it defines citizen of the US. Notice I did not claim that it defines natural born citizen, merely that it defines citizen. Article IV, Sec. 2., "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."
I trust that nobody disagrees with this proposition of what "the law is" (channeling Marbury v. Madison).
While this is not the only place that the constitution describes the attributes of being a citizen, it is the starting point. A person born pursuant to this clause is a citizen. Without operation of further law, a person who does not fit this description is not a citizen.
The constitution does contain further law, it was amended, and contains the 14th amendment, which provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." This does not help Ted Cruz.
In order for Ted Cruz to mount his argument, he must resort to an act of Congress that made him a citizen-at-birth.
And as I opened, he must further make this act of congress superior to the constitution in order to convert his citizenship-by-statute into "natural" citizenship.
His hand waving works because it can be presented in a simple sound bite that appeals to those ignorant of how the law works.
It is also true that Vattel's referencing of patrilineage was reflective of the mores and practices of his time, but it is not appropriate for the post Amendment 14 world. We can certainly give weight to the general thrust of his thought without becoming obsessed with the peculiarities of the time Vattel lived and wrote. They are not determinative of the meaning of natural born citizen; they are only indicative.
Dream on.
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