Should 22 Mag be the Choice as a Defensive Caliber?

NO thank you.
I'll keep my faith in my military acquaintances that I served with overseas, and their REAL LIFE, WARTIME EXPERIENCE
I'll stay with the .45 first and then the .40, and after that, the/38 special.

That Glock 26 is a single stack, and I NEED the two round magazine extension, just to get a good grip.

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You’re talkin’ to one, real life and all, with a few decades. But don’t worry, your 45 will work as well as a 9. The truth is, carry what you can shoot well, and what you enjoy, and whatever makes you feel like a cowboy. And I mean that about the cowboy sincerely within the bounds of reason. If you feel like a stud as you wield your hero’s weapon, you’ll likely fight better. Don’t take a SAA to Iraq, or take James Bonds 25 Beretta as your daily CCW, but you get my point.Between 38 and 45 every handgun is close to the same and it all comes down to the shooter.

Soldiers are just as susceptible to BS as anyone else. Some swear that the 30 carbine is a worthless popgun stopped by a quilt. The truth is that they missed a lot in the frozen waste of Korea. SF in Vietnam enjoyed it, the Israelis respect it, the Nazis prized it as a capture gun, and Jim Cirillo the number 1 police gunfighter in US history said the 30 carbine was the only thing they used that was 100% one shot effective in the stakeout squad.

For extra credit, ponder why a wholly worthless round like a 9mm is a world standard after a century when the 45 death ray was available. Weak rounds are quickly abandoned.
And the Nazis used a lot of 9mm. But what did they know about effectiveness of machinery?

"carry what you can shoot well"

And you can't "shoot well;" unless it FITS in your hand.
If you like your 9mm, that's YOUR choice.
I'll stay will the experience Ive LEARNED from 1974 through 2001.

I thought hollow points were a violation of the Geneva Convention?

My dad didn’t get over to Korea until it had already started. ‘51, I think. He used to get kinda mad when he heard the TV or someone call it the Korean War. He said he never saw one Korean...they were all damn Chinese.

I have bought from them too.

Yeah, it’s hard on your hand/trigger finger.

I don’t carry it, but I keep it in the nightstand because with the heavy trigger I am a lot less likely to have an accidental discharge grabbing it in the middle of the night.

In the house distances, it’s got a nice punch with good SD ammo.

For carry, it’s the Kahr or the Shield with extra mags.

Glock Model 36 .45ACP

The G36 has one purpose in life; it is your cavalry, your Marine Corp, your personal life preserver or any other metaphor you can think of to imply that it is a great tool to have at your disposal when the chips are down and your back is against the wall.

The G36 is probably the most useful pistol in the world, certainly the most useful one manufactured by Glock and that is saying a lot. The one I’m examining today is the second one I’ve owned, the first being foolishly traded away for something I don’t have around anymore. I regretted it almost as soon as I let it get away.

What makes the G36 such an important handgun? Let’s run it down by the numbers:

Pros:

1. It’s a .45 ACP. Some think its reputation as a defensive cartridge is vastly overblown but it served this country in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf Wars I and II. It was discontinued from Military Service in the late 1980’s but elite units brought it back because it worked better than the government issued 9mm pistols and remember the military only uses hardball ammunition. If our armed forces were allowed to use hollow point ammo they would love the .45 even more. Regardless of how one feels about the .45’s reputation, one cannot discard its track record with the United States military.

2. Size. At 1.13 inches wide it is the thinnest pistol Glock manufacturers and thinner than its competitors. The small Taurus Millennium Pro in .45 ACP is 1.25 inches wide. The G36 is also the lightest Glock made and is lighter than the small .45s made by Springfield, Kimber, Para Ordnance, and Taurus. With a good tuckable inside-the-waistband holster the G36 can be with you all day.

3. It’s a .45 ACP—go back and read point #1 if you have forgotten this.

4. Accuracy. The G36 is not an easy pistol to shoot nor is it difficult to master. The 5.5 pound standard Glock trigger provides a consistent trigger pull and learning to use the short reset of the trigger allows you to quickly fire follow-up shots. It is more accurate than a pistol of this size should be but you need to spend some time practicing with it in order to gain your own level of proficiency.

5. It’s a .45 ACP.

Cons:

1. Capacity. The magazine holds only 6 rounds but with 1 in the chamber you get a total of 7 rounds of .45 ACP as opposed to 5 rounds of .38 special that has been the standard of personal protections for so many years. You can add the Pearce Plus One grip extender to add a round. If you do be advised that many people on the internet have reported problems with failure to feeds which they attribute to the fact that the Plus One grip extender makes the grip longer but uses the original magazine spring which is designed for the standard and shorter Glock magazine. I have added the Plus One extender to three G36 magazines and have not had this issue arise but enough people seem to think this to be a problem that I wanted to mention it.

2. The magazines do not drop free in a shooting environment. I realize that is a confusing statement so let me explain what I mean. When casually shooting the pistol at the public range the magazines drops freely from the grip frame as expected. However, when I took the G36 to the tactical class and was shooting and reloading while moving I found that they would not fall free because my grip was tighter and the bottom of my palm was making contact with the magazine due to the abbreviated grip frame. This was not a show stopper for me; it simply meant that I would use my free hand to rip the magazine out of the grip frame as the free hand was on the way down to get the next magazine from the waist pouch. The instructor pointed out to the rest of the class that this might happened to any pistol if we were wearing winter gloves while shooting.

They’re good people.

Taurus 922 Tracker comes with a .22LR cylinder and a .22 Mag cylinder, each mounted on its own crane assembly. A button on the right side (replacing the screw the used to hold the crane in place) releases the crane so they can be easily swapped out.

If I were using an M1 today I would get the 110 grain round. As for the Geneva convention we didn’t sign this part of the agreement but have abide by it.

My uncle saw lots of Norks over there. Fought in several battles, one being Taejon and saw General Dean right before the battle started. Dean got captured in that battle. He was on a mortar team but did a lot of fighting in the early part of the war with his M1 and hand to hand combat. He talks about finally getting some bazookas which would knock the Norks tanks out and stopping them at Pusan.

He ended up going through Pyongyang and he said it didn’t look anything like it does now, they tore it all to hell. Finally made it to the Yalu and stopped on a ridge overlooking it. Heard his colonel tell the officers don’t go into the town below this late in the day, this is a better defensive position stay put here for tonight and set up defensive positions before dark. The Chinese hit them that night, had they went into the town they would have been slaughtered.

Is the .45 ACP a great caliber for stopping power of men? Absolutely.

Does it outperform smaller calibers such as the 9mm as it once did? No.

Modern ballistics have closed the gap between the 9mm and the 45 ACP. Many modern hollow tip bullets have 50% expansion. This means that a 9mm bullet (.355) actually expands to .5325 caliber, larger than an unexpanded 45 ACP.

Those are the cold, hard facts.

For all of those people who claim the .22 is a worhthless round, look at the damage inflicted by Nadal Hassan at Fort Hood with his FiveseveN in 5.7 x 28, essentially a faster version of the .22.

I would make the argument that even a 45ACP would not have done as much damage in as short a time, as there is little recoil, allowing one to re-gain their target faster, as opposed to the kick of the 45.

The only reason I would say no to the .22 is not because of stopping power. I have never met a person yet who would volunteer to stand in front of me shooting a .22. A .22, well placed, will kill most men. Make no mistake about that.

However, because it is a rimfire caliber, they are notoriously unreliable. My carry guns will all be centerire guns, whether it is my Kimber Ultra 45 ACP, my Sig P238 in .380, or my FiveseveN in 5.7 x 28 (essentially a variant of the .22 going at rifle speeds).

Gotcha...thanks.

The best home weapon (home defense or otherwise) is the one you are comfortable and accurate shooting. IMHO, the 12 ga. shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. Use 6-shot shells, and you will not need to waste time aiming. You should be able to place the first round on the target or a piece of the target, and then decide to complete the job or call LEO.

I have an 8-round 357 mag S&W spinner that works just as well as a 7+1 round 1911 45.

beat 4 misses with a .44 Magnum

Nahh...not too much beats four misses with a .44 mag.