Posted on 11/19/2015 9:14:35 AM PST by w1n1
When 30 carbine was introduced during WW2, many called it inadequate. It became massively popular, and not just with the rear echelon troops. Far from the sheer power of the 30-06, it was more useful to a radio operator, a cook, or a typist. Likewise, 22WMR is nowhere near the power of 223Rem (already deemed inadequate by many), yet its ballistic cousins 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 are well regarded for certain niche uses. Until recently, 22WMR was mostly used in hunting guns, the occasional exception like Grendel carbine aside. But consider it in the Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) format: lightweight, accurate, nearly recoilless, and effective.
For the test, I used two CMR30's updated to the production configuration. Both were reliable and well received by the numerous shooters who tried them. While slow fire provides about 1.5MOA dispersion, we did rapid fire standing at 18-20 yards. The target was a 1/4" hardened aluminum, diamond plate backed, with 2x4s. 9mm +P and .357Mag defensive ammunition shot through 4" barrels left minimal impression on the plate. 22LR let just a tiny splatter. From the carbine barrel, 22WMR ball blew through the metal and the wood behind it. We tried CCI hollow point load with the same result.
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I would never consider it for defensive use. For a pocket pistol, .380 is as small as I’ll go. As for rifles, 5.56 is the smallest I’ll go.
Nahh, .357 and 9mm are great. .22 mag is not a very good semi-auto pistol round. Even Semi-rifles are rare.
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It would not be my choice for self defense. My preference is a .357 magnum snub nose in my pocket.
Sure you can find a .22 mag revolver fairly cheap but why bother if you can't find ammo.
“Why do you carry a .45?” “Cause they don’t make a 46.”
Walther P99 in 22lr ...
Smooth and quick to re-sight on target,,, imho
Not my first choice, but if it is all you have then go for it.
Hits.
It’s all about hits.
8 hits with a .22LR beat 4 misses with a .44 Magnum.
The common rifle for rear echelon troops was the 03 Springfield.
It’s personal, depends on the situation.
7 years ago my life was threatened and the person illegally entered our home to prove she could get in and do it. I kept a XD40 with laser and flashlight combo attachment. I did lotsa practice with it. At night the flashlight part of it is totally blinding, and at “in home” distances the laser is perfectly accurate.
I slept with it under my pillow with one in the chamber. Once the threat was over, I realized having it under the pillow was not too swift.
I really recommend a similar setup for in home defense.
This same setup is great for meeting a stranger at the door in the middle of the night.
Well, a .357 Marlin lever action carries a lot of punch. I prefer it to my 5.56 AR because I'm just much more accurate with it out to 125 yards with iron sights. I prefer iron sights on a medium range rifle because of the wider range of vision for smaller, moving targets. I guess people could argue a long time whether a 5.56 rifle round or .357 is smaller. Powder vs. projectile. Both are good and preferable to a 22 mag imho.
That said, I don't think .22 WMR is quite adequate for a self defense weapon although it's sure better than nothing. There is a difference in role between self defense and hunting - if you're hunting with it you have the ability to engage at a standoff range and the initiative to pick your shots. If something is hunting you, not so much. This is true with hunting people as well, a practice best left to trained professionals...Your Honor...
Agreed, they are my favorite handgun rounds also. The FBI did a multi-year study on semi-auto handgun calibers (mostly 9mm vs. .40 cal vs. .45 cal) and issued its report last winter. As a result they are going back to 9mm from .40 cal. The most interesting part of the report was the conclusion, based on tons of study, that the increased "stopping power" of a .40 or .45 cal is an absolute myth. There is a 2 part video on youtube in which a gun guy analyzes the FBI report in good detail and it's well worth checking out.
Links? tia
I’ll take my 1911 .45 “Myth” over any 9mm you got.
Miyamoto Musashi in his final sword duels killed his opponents with wooden swords. He was effective and lethal with what most people of the day considered a training sword
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