Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of “engaging in organized criminal activity.” There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called “the investigative impulse” in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, “in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that ‘people have a right to question their leaders.’”
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. “Any time a prosecutor’s office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it,” a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. “They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don’t want us to see or know about.” You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either “off the record” or “deep background,” this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained “off the record” as information that “cannot be used for publication.” The same news agency and most publications define “deep background” as information that “can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity.” Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls “Exemption Seven” or one of three “Exclusions.”
The exempt information is defined as, “Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.” The three exclusions are: One, “Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding;” two, “Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individual’s status as an informant is not known; and three, “Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.”
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as “transnational gangs.”
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why “gang investigations” are always classified as “ongoing” even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as “speculative.” As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, “A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source…is not credible.”
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
For my amusement, I did keep track at the top of this thread. (I think it's this one.) Through around 80 total, Sarge had a bit over 50%, falling back from a peak of 62.5%.
So, Patrick, are you getting any campaigning in between posts and performing whatever Chief still allows you to do? Your fb updates are awesome.
But, you gotta get out there and court the electorate.
Yep. If the process runs as it is designed to, then there aren't arrests without probable cause - the determination is made quickly by a magistrate. But when the magistrate errs, or when there is a trial without probable cause in the first place, there is that delay, plus the time it take for the civil case to run to completion, which likely involves the civil trial and appeal by the loser. I'd estimate four years minimum, and eight to ten years most probable.
It was this thread where you tracked the rate of TG's posts relative to all the rest.
Running up post count is trivially easy. One way is by being obtuse.
Except you were making what you claimed were facts about past events. Again nice try to shift the argument. NO SALE.
The police dispatch audio on the 17th posted on Conservative Tree House includes discussion of the group at the Flying J.
A better word choice, and I submit the correct word choice, is "speculation." One speculates about the future, and assumes about the past or present.
Some synonyms ... assumption, axiom, premise, presumption
All that said, either word works in common usage - I understood exactly what you meant. Just that people are judged in part by their vocabulary and usage.
“Except you were making what you claimed were facts about past events.”
No, I was making the only logical assumption. It’s ludicrous to think the gangsters would have just stopped shooting and decided to play pattycake instead if the cops had not stepped in.
As much as you run your mouth, I get the feeling you’re going to be the last guy who would be out there playing Rambo.
“What was that Cossack chapter president guy supposed to do, though?”
If the Cossacks were just law abiding citizens like you seem to think, they should have not gone to where they knew there were a bunch of criminals who wanted to him them. Duh.
“They were not a 1%’er club. But got tired of being kicked around by one. it looks like.”
Meh, when they decided to claim territory like a 1% gang, they knew exactly what they were doing. Cossacks are not some new kids on the block, they are an OFFSHOOT of the Bandidos, from back in the 60s.
They wouldn’t have done that if they didn’t want a war with the Bandidos, and ordinary clubs don’t start wars with 1% clubs. I’m not finding any of your arguments convincing in the least.
There are a few "unsupervised" biker shoot-outs in the historical record. Those provide some sort of boundaries for the extent of losses the gangs tolerate in one battle. Of all people, I think TG posted a link to a list of biker battles, which included number of dead and wounded. As usual, the link he gave didn't support his contention about Twin Peaks, but it was interesting history just the same.
“I think the BLM comparison is...a horse of a different color. Why?....because we don’t exactly know what happened at the TP’s....”
Well, that’s exactly my point. The BLM crowd didn’t wait to find out what happened with Trayvon, Mike Brown, Freddy Gray, etc. They just go after the cops BEFORE they have any real evidence. Exactly as people are doing with the Twin Peaks case.
The "duh" is all you in this case.
It was in the best interests of both clubs to make effort to remove sources of contention between the two clubs, if possible. LE would liked to have see that happen, and bully for LE for that. Yet here you are fighting it tooth and nail, figuratively speaking.
Didn't we just go over that?
Cossacks didn't "decide to claim territory just like a 1% gang" as far as I can tell. You are engaging in a form of false equivalency.
Cossacks, as far as I know, like most of those MC's who do NOT identify themselves as 1%'ers, have long had high levels of acceptance for other MC's, sort-of like people who exercise their freedoms, doing so yet not failing to recognize the freedoms others should be allowed to enjoy also, which are the same freedoms. DUH!
It's more like Cossacks decided they would do as they please, and no longer allow themselves to be intimidated by Bandidos.
Or should we all just allow gangs to intimidate any or all of us -- and if we tell them to take a flying leap -- that's as good as ourselves "declaring war" on them, leaving it to be that any violent reaction that may cause, would be all our own fault as much as the fault of thugs, who think they dictate to others?
I think this is the same list. I found it independently, so can't produce hard evidence of which freeper linked it in a Waco Biker thread ...
Deadliest biker battles in history - Toronto Sun - May 17, 2015
Not all of the action is broken out battle-by-battle.
Seems like there is a lot of speculation about the past ...
"If this is the boots being mentioned, the interesting thing is his pants legs. Why would they have been pulled up like that? Perhaps to get something out of his boot?"
“There was some degree of pressure to settle things peacefully -—”
Cops said they saw Cossacks ‘checking their weapons’ as the Bandidos rode in.
A Cossack observed all the cops and felt that the Bandidos would not try anything serious with all the cops around.
A Bandido throws a punch.
STOP!
1. If you want peace you act like an adult.
2. If you want war you all rush to attack the Bandidos.
The Cossacks chose #2.
Do you know when they said that? In what venue? In what form?
I don't care to hear any more crap-spin out of you.
It's less than worthless.
Go fill out those forms, if you can stop squirming around in the dampness of your chair long enough to do so, and then mail them.
“Do you know when they said that? In what venue? In what form? “
They have the videos.
I owe TG an apology for attaching the taint of "that link doesn't say what you claim" in this case, and attach it to you.
So, from YOUR list:
The references are also useful to get a grip on the magnitude of carnage when the police are either totally absent, or aren't staged for action.
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