Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of “engaging in organized criminal activity.” There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called “the investigative impulse” in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, “in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that ‘people have a right to question their leaders.’”
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. “Any time a prosecutor’s office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it,” a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. “They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don’t want us to see or know about.” You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either “off the record” or “deep background,” this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained “off the record” as information that “cannot be used for publication.” The same news agency and most publications define “deep background” as information that “can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity.” Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls “Exemption Seven” or one of three “Exclusions.”
The exempt information is defined as, “Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.” The three exclusions are: One, “Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding;” two, “Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individual’s status as an informant is not known; and three, “Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.”
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as “transnational gangs.”
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why “gang investigations” are always classified as “ongoing” even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as “speculative.” As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, “A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source…is not credible.”
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
“There is no 1%’er diamond on this man’s cut.”
He must be a nomad. He doesn’t have a territory patch on his cut either.
But he doesn’t have a nomad patch either.
WTH. He must be a pretender.
Just quoting the Associated Press who researched it and that is what they wrote.
What are the facts? You have facts to prove that they do have records? Let’s see’um
Probably be like the “facts” you posted about Operation Hog trap. 258 Bandidos arrested huh? Just..Not...True.
I started to not even look it up. Cause it really doesn’t make any difference in this case. But I did. And you were not truthful.
“I’m sure one of our resident “experts” will be along to explain away any possible negative connotations associated with those markings as well as an innocent explaination about why these Cossacks were hiding behind that building....after doing their DUE DILLIGENCE of course! “
I would offer my opinion but I am sure one of them would rewrite it and send it to the mods.
As to the second, two are obviously pissing on the leg of two others. The fifth is watching to make sure they don’t get caught and convicted deviant sexual behavior.
“I don’t know what “finny” said...but I’d guess it wasn’t what you said it was........”
Here is a copy/paste:
“Hell, a lot of us here had a police record by the time we were 23, and we’re not even bad-ass. “
“So...you don’t smell nothing?”
Well, mostly I smell a lot of horse manure spread by bloggers in the first days before any real info came out that has just perpetuated itself across the internet, despite more reliable information coming out to contradict it. Once these theories get rolling and people buy into them, they tend to cling to them tenaciously, in the face of any contradictory evidence.
“I’ve no history of LEO work...Do you?”
Nope. Far from it, in my “misspent youth” I was a bit of a neer-do-well myself. Nothing on the level of a serious felon, but no, I never had any inclination to get into law enforcement.
I have had friends who were bikers, and one very close friend who joined an outlaw gang, and through that friendship, I got to know his crew, hung out at their clubhouse, and was schooled about the basics of the outlaw lifestyle. Not that I had much interest in it, but after he began prospecting, the only time I could really hang out with him was if I went to see him at the clubhouse, because he had to spent most of his free time there doing unpaid menial labor for the club. Luckily, the clubhouse was a bar so we could still drink and have some fun while he worked :)
“I want the truth...for my money...but when it appears that “government” controls the “truth”...I get interested.”
Sure I want the truth too, but spinning conspiracy theories in absence of evidence, I think, gets us no closer to that goal.
“And I don’t trust my government. Which I think is healthy. Do you trust them?”
Not really, at least I don’t trust them not to commit abuses unless they are well-restrained from doing so. However, that doesn’t mean I assume everyone in government IS committing abuses, just because a few people claim very loudly that they must be. I’d like to see some actual real evidence first, before I grab a torch and pitchfork.
If we do that, then we’re no different from the “Black Lives Matter” crowd, are we?
As long as we are sharing.
Let’s see. I had reckless driving ticket when I was 18. DUI when I was 19. Couple of speeding tickets. And that was about it.
Do I have to make an appointment for the firing squad or do I just show up?
“Just quoting the Associated Press who researched it and that is what they wrote.”
LOL! The AP NEVER said that 117 had no criminal records.
Do you homework and quit believing what you see in Finny’s posts.
“Let’s see. I had reckless driving ticket when I was 18. DUI when I was 19. Couple of speeding tickets. And that was about it.”
Finny is the one that said lot’s of you had criminal records, not me.
Horsefeathers. Did you pull those from Puddle's backside?
They made no noises to exclusivity over other MC's, that I know of. Not like actual 1%'ers that we can think of...
Although on planned rides which could involve large groups, I hear there is a general protocol to contact other MC's in whichever areas they may intend to pass through, or else visit.
Because, one of the Cossack chapter presidents had been urged to attend the meeting by a Waco PD officer, and news of that had been shared among that MC, someone having made the decision to arrive in significant numbers --- for their own protection.
It wasn't supposed to be a "confrontation" according a preliminary anecdotal commentary, which has been backed by some amount of testimony in one of the preliminary hearings, where one of the Cossacks told the Court about the contact from a Waco PD officer, some days before the event.
One Bandidos chapter president was said to have called a Cossack chapter president also, conveying a general idea that some sort of peace agreement talk would be included.
It is quite possible that one Bandido, and others too, had no desire for things to end up in violent altercation, but instead may well have been seeking the exact opposite, as it appears to me that many of the Cossacks likely were (not necessarily, and primarily seeking a fight, although they were on guard so to speak, being reasonably enough mistrustful of Bandidos MC, in spite of the good intentions that some of that known o be potentially deadly MC may well have had...
A few(?) or at least one Bandido who rode in from Dallas, apparently had other ideas, or at least acted the prick enough to be the initial spark, at that time and place.
How old are you?
"Hell, a lot of us here had"....
Are YOU not here?
Did Finny differentiate between who he/she was talking about?
Is that all you got??? ROFLOL!!!
Keep on being you...keep on being who you are. It's amusing....
I do have a criminal record. I posted it. Lot’s of people have records from their, uh, misspent youth. Or misspent adulthood.
I would think it extraordinary if someone didn’t have a little something in their background. Maybe in my small town the cops took things a little too literally, seriously..something.
I have friends who, many years ago got busted for underage drinking. The Horror!!! Heck you can’t even piss behind a building anymore without getting put on the sex offender list!
So, yea. If you didn’t have a little something in your past I would be kinda leery.
Finny’s probably right. So What?
“Horsefeathers. Did you pull those from Puddle’s backside?”
When you put on the “Texas” rocker, you’re claiming territory, in the manner that 1% clubs claim it. There are some exceptions for certain types of clubs that outlaws tend to ignore (say police, vet or Christian clubs), but the Cossacks don’t fit that category. Don’t tell me a club with a history as long as theirs didn’t know exactly what they were doing with that move!
Also, there is a pattern of increasingly violent incidents between the gangs, initiated by both sides, for over a year before the Waco event. So, I didn’t pull that out of anyone’s backside either.
“Because, one of the Cossack chapter presidents had been urged to attend the meeting by a Waco PD officer, and news of that had been shared among that MC, someone having made the decision to arrive in significant numbers -— for their own protection.”
“One Bandidos chapter president was said to have called a Cossack chapter president also, conveying a general idea that some sort of peace agreement talk would be included.”
Sure, there are those stories, and they may be true, but still, I know of no law-abiding citizens that would go to confront a deadly criminal gang that had been hunting them down, even if they were invited, either by the cops or the criminals. Still doesn’t make any sense, if the Cossacks weren’t 1%ers. Plus, you don’t negotiate “peace” unless there’s already a “war”, so yeah, it’s not adding up.
I’ll look it up again. But not right now.
No criminal convictions in Texas. That’s what AP said.
Why must you parse everything? Or exaggerate? Like the 258 Bandidos being arrested in Operation Hog trap?
“I’ll look it up again. But not right now. No criminal convictions in Texas. That’s what AP said. Why must you parse everything?”
LOL.
There is a big difference between “NO CRIMINAL RECORDS” and “SEARCHED RECORDS INDICATE NO CONVICTIONS IN TEXAS”. Finny knows the difference but continues his falsehood.
This has been discussed dozens of times here. AP did a quick database search.
Doesn’t mean that they searched every database in Texas.
Doesn’t mean that all the databases were completely accurate.
And did they search for aliases.
I don’t think so.
One of the Waco police had gone to the local presidents place of business and noticed a long gun standing nearby and asked if he was expecting trouble. The reply was to the affirmative.
“Like the 258 Bandidos being arrested in Operation Hog trap?”
I issued a correction. “Bandidos or affiliates”.
It's Troll 101.
I'm not to this day sure...who has the most reliable info.
I don't trust the Feds, or the WACO P.D. Nor...the courts and attorneys there....
I've some experience with some small town politics/courts/attorneys....
Yeah...I had some misspent youth. Agreed.
Never had friends...that I knew were in MC clubs. Took care of a Bandito once in a hospital. Saved his life once. He survived...Nice guy actually..and all the visitors I saw were very cordial and polite.
I agree...spinning isn't productive. I would say...some of that is tit for dat..on both sides.
I don't trust anyone...until I know them.....I certainly don't trust the Feds...and Ha!! I could grab a pitchfork..under the right circumstances.
I'm a professional...and I act that way....Most of the time. : )
I think the BLM comparison is...a horse of a different color. Why?....because we don't exactly know what happened at the TP's....
We know pretty much what happened with BLM events........Don't you think, so?
Your own reasoning is what isn't adding up. You keeping dropping integers, or else adding what doesn't quite fit well enough to be well enough included in order to make the case, that Cossacks MC was a "criminal" motorcycle gang ----somewhat on par in criminality to be comparable to a few other MC's we can think of.
They were not a 1%'er club. But got tired of being kicked around by one. it looks like.
Other than one incident which a handful of Cossacks ganged up on a lone Bandido and assaulted him, there had been no altercations initiated by Cossacks against Bandidos.
THAT happened only after Bandidos had invaded that bar in Ft' Worth and roughed up a lot of people, with one Ghost Rider ending up being shot dead, then some time later a pair (or more) of Bandidos confronting and assaulting a couple of Cossacks, and an incident where a group of Bandido had converged on a lone Cossack at a truckstop, beating that guy over the head with a hammer, etc.
There were multiple threats uttered by Bandidos against Cossacks, causing a Cossack chapter some place long miles to the West of Waco, North of Austin, and Southwest of D-FW to call off an annual Bar-be-que sort of get together they'd been having for years, which the local police had been quoted they'd never had any trouble with to speak of...
No, it's less like a turf war than it was Cossacks trying to go about their own affairs without being dictated to and assaulted by some outlaw 1%'er MC.
Live Free or Die.
Ever heard of that?
I'd wager that Iron Oder, woops, I mean Iron Order MC has heard of it. One of their own had to shoot a 1%er, or wanna-be 1%er in order to save his own life.
Under Florida law, that was legal, as it well enough should be.
It's not against the law to defend oneself from being attacked. That's one of those most primary Natural Law sort of laws, which by their very nature can over-ride whole rafts of other laws.
Still, that's not enough to exonerate any of those who took part in attacking a lone Bandido in retribution for multiple incidents where Bandidos do appear to have been the perpetrators.
That's the type of thing which many, on either side of the issue, were hoping to extricate themselves and the rest of their respective MC's from, best as I can determine, with what information I've come across, so far.
“I do have a criminal record. I posted it. “
Traffic infractions are not criminal.
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