Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of engaging in organized criminal activity. There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called the investigative impulse in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern Universitys Medill School of Journalism, in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that people have a right to question their leaders.
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. Any time a prosecutors office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it, a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they dont want us to see or know about. You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either off the record or deep background, this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
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Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls Exemption Seven or one of three Exclusions.
The exempt information is defined as, Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes. The three exclusions are: One, Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding; two, Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individuals status as an informant is not known; and three, Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as transnational gangs.
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why gang investigations are always classified as ongoing even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as speculative. As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source is not credible.
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
Since it's been established that he was an undercover agent, and has been identified as having infiltrated Cossacks MC, it is highly unlikely that he would not have been carrying a concealed weapon, even before he was photographed holding a rifle while standing next to a uniformed LEO.
One account had it that red boots had entered the Twin Peaks restaurant with the rifle, as part of LEO reactions to the incident.
How many shots did mr. boots fire from his own personal carry weapon (if any) before picking up a rifle, that possibly was made available to himself by some other LEO?
The way he's holding it in the photo (and he's been traced to have been past member of a LEO rifle team, if those accounts are correct) it looks like he's carrying at ready-arms use, like it was his own rifle, or one which he was familiar with.
All your jackassery lol'ing and posting photos of persons with their pants hiked up to the top of their boots is what comes across as desperation, Princess.
It seems to me you don't want anybody to look at LE actions and involvement, other than to repeat the same spin Sgt. Swanson put on everything.
Yeah, and CPE got zotted alright, for taking after a well respected freeper that goes by the name don-o.
You had been going along with that too...
In fact, you may have inspired the attempts at character assassination of individuals here like don-o.
Which is why I've been going after you, swinging for your head.
I can't stand your garbage, Princess. Everything you touch in regards to this subject, you've filled with poisonous baiting.
All this trolling you've been doing must be making your panties wet, if you are not a LE agent-troll (which I still have reason to suspect may be the case). It could be making your panties wet even if you are a LE troll.
You're new operative code-name for these latter-day Waco threads, is now "Puddles".
Learn how to treat men like don-o with due respect, and you'll possibly find some amount extended towards yourself, in return.
Until then, Puddles, more than a few of us here will continue to regard your comments as the garbage they typically are.
This little dweeb from Pasadena writes stuff like;
which you keep re-posting.
Drug trafficking as some point of tension between the two groups? Multiple newspaper reports? Based on what exactly? Actual arrests, and trials which show the proof, or is it more like LEO's simply running their mouths? I supect the latter, which is approximately on par with "hearsay" evidence, since all we've seen is the dweeb saying there have been multiple reports as for drug trafficking having been some kind source of tension between the "crews" as the dweeb put it. The other factors, colors, and a Texas bottom rocker, along with there having been recent violence (most of it apparently initiated by Bandidos) there have been multiple newspaper articles and 'police reports' concerning.
Whatever it is, the drug dealing "conflict" angle is news to us here, and could be an LEO exaggeration, if not more along lines of out-and-out fantasy of sorts, but possibly repeated among LEO's as if there is any degree of real truth to it, beyond possibly an isolated clique within the Cossacks MC who may possibly have been in some way involved in drug trafficking, beyond low level use and distribution on the part of *some* Cossacks(?), like, one of those who was killed in Waco allegedly having some sort of meth-related substance in his system.
One the other side of the ledgers, LE orgs have long been known to have withing their own memberships, officers who ride dirty, deal drugs, and have more than a little contacts with gangs, as in being in cahoots with them, for whatever mixture of reasons.
In Northern portions of Mexico, police have been outgunned by those gangs, and so must go along to get along, or else be murdered. Some 40,000+ Mexicans in the last ten years (or is it the last 15 or 20) have murdered, with the greater bulk of those deaths being attributed to drug trafficking --- on the Mexico side of the border.
One this side of the border, nowadays, the Mexican cartels and the loosely affiliated Tango Blast type of gangs, don't NEED white-boy bikers like Cossacks to do their drug mule-ing for them. Look at those guys. Are there many Mexican-looking actors in the Cossacks MC? There isn't.
There are in the Bandidos though, just sayin'. This Cossack MC;
simply do not have the same history of organized criminality & violent crime that is attributed to Bandidos, Mongols, H.A., etc., even though the MC has been in existence in Texas, since 1969.
How about the Iron Order MC? Are they all criminals too?
One of their members, a 'prospect' as it were, was attacked by several members of an MC who call themselves Black Pistons. One of the attackers was shot dead by the prospect who was under attack.
Law enforcement in Florida cleared the Iron Order prospect of wrong-doing. As far as I can tell, it didn't necessarily have anything to do with the fact that Iron Order has many LEO officers as members, openly known to be LEO's too, not acting as undercover infiltrators sent to root out bad actors.
Yet still one can wonder, since Iron Order MC is known to have began, to a large extent as an Law Enforcement Officer MC (but is one which is open to those not LE, unlike the Blue Knights ,and some other Law Enforcement Only MC's) if that was not part of why the Black Piston jerk-faces initiated the contact & assault that day in Florida.
A human being can still act to protect themselves in this nation. From what I hear, Cossacks that day responded to those of their own MC being assaulted by some number of Bandidos. Some nunmber opf Cossacks died, either at the hand of Bandidos, or else shot by LEO's, and even both.
In Puddle-world, is attempting to defend oneself, and one's own friends and associates ---- illegal?
Should they have all just stood around and watched Bandidos assaulting, and even killing their own fellow MC members?
I don't believe a blanket prohibition against persons acting to defend themselves has been active in this nation since select groups of white racists in the Deep South would gang up on negroes, assault them, and possibly have those who acted to defend themselves be prosecuted for daring harm their attackers.
“was to point out that the police have not alleged participation in a deadly gang fight”
Correct. The charges were not ‘a deadly gang fight’.
I think it was more like participating in a gang to commit assault or murder.
To satisfy your pinheadedness, the affidavit in support of arrest does not allege that any individual accused participated in a gang to commit assault or murder (to use your words) or "committed murder, capital murder, or aggravated assault" (to use the exact words in the statute and affidavit).
Convenient short hand is your forte only when it suits your dishonesty.
“$1,000,000 bonds to teach them a lesson? Not my words. And thats just fine?”
Million dollar bonds have been used in Waco before.
When hundreds of gangster hold a gun fight at a public plaza I start losing any sympathy over them having to spend a few days in jail.
They went to their bail hearings and most got their bonds reduced. I think all but one got out and that one had other warrants outstanding.
Two Hundred and Fifty Eight Bandidos got arrested in Operation Hog Trap.
Bandidos have gone down for murder.
About time someone holds the line and teaches them a lesson.
So you admit there was probable cause for the arrests, in the opinion of the Texas courts?
“Should they have all just stood around and watched Bandidos assaulting, and even killing their own fellow MC members?”
From all accounts, the Cossacks came over the rail in mass to attack the bandidos.
That was a new one on me!
It is truly amazing what happens when you are listening to music, drinking wine and posting at the same time ...
I've never said otherwise. In fact, I predicted the courts would find it, even though the affidavit is deficient, because deciding the other way is inconvenient on account of the scale of the deprivation of civil rights by Reyna, Peterson and assorted others.
One would think that when/if the police had probable cause for murder, capital murder or aggravated assault, they would recite it. But in this case, they didn't.
Bail is not for teaching anyone a lesson.
Why would you think that? Can I say that reasoning is Un-American? Or would that be a personal attack?
“Two Hundred and Fifty Eight Bandidos got arrested in Operation Hog Trap.”
Great. And I care...Why? I guess I’ll have to look that one up too.
If this is the boots being mentioned, the interesting thing is his pants legs. Why would they have been pulled up like that? Perhaps to get something out of his boot?
“The miscarriage of justice that happened after the melee at the bar is indisputable.”
Certainly it isn’t, I’ve been disputing it myself.
“Well see what happened at the bar. Maybe. One day. If they will ever release the video.”
No, absolutely we will. The videos (multiple) will be entered into evidence at trial and disclosed to the defense attorneys in discovery, even before that happens.
“If the video exonerated the police from any wrongdoing dont you think that it would have been released?”
No, this is a spurious argument. There are many reasons that evidence is not normally released to the public prior to trials. One of the big ones is that is can prejudice the potential jury pool.
“Law enforcement releases video all the time in criminal cases.”
Usually before the investigation is over (as in this case), they do not. Often videos are not released until just before the trial.
“The judge issues a gag order. For what?”
On one defense attorney, probably because he was spouting nonsense not supported by the facts and trying to prejudice the jury pool.
Of course if you decide to ignore all reasonable, ordinary explanations for these things, you might believe that a nefarious conspiracy is the only explanation. However, that only means that you are thinking emotionally, bending the facts to suit your preordained desired conclusion.
“$1,000,000 bonds to teach them a lesson? Not my words. And thats just fine?”
I’ve conceded before that I think the bail issue, at least initially, was probably a fair thing to be concerned about. However, bail amounts that high in organized crime cases are not very unusual, and bails were reduced at the bond hearings, so this is pretty weak sauce to continue spinning all these conspiracy theories over.
I'm simply not buying the "you have to commit a felony" noise in order to be a MC member, having that apply to Cossacks MC.
They were never of that precise sort, although there may have long been some number of members who had done time for some offense or another.
They haven't exactly been on the radar as seriously bad organized crime syndicate, engaging in blatant motorcycle theft. More like they were organized in part, and have been at least sometime since, to help protect against their own members suffering that.
Most of them appear to be guys with jobs and families.
They don't exactly typify and label themselves as "outlaw" bikers as far as I know, although they likely eschew having paid memberships in the AMA for the most part, which is where the term "outlaw" first came from.
Even the AMA no longer universally calls all MC's and riding clubs "outlaw" for reason of not adhering to AMA rulz.
One never had to commit crimes on behalf of the MC to be a member of Ghost Riders, or Winos, or Leathernecks, or Iron Order.
First or second album. 1984ish IIRC.
LSFTF LogoSan Antonio, TX The San Antonio Police Department Gang Unit (SAPD) and the United States Marshals Service Lone Star Fugitive Task Force (LSFTF) concluded a 60 day operation known as Operation Hog Trap earlier this month. Operation Hog Trap was an initiative developed to reduce violent gang crime in the San Antonio area in a systematic and sustained manner. This operations primary focus was to disrupt the criminal operation of the Bandido Motorcycle Club and other violent gangs in San Antonio. The SAPD and LSFTF, with the assistance of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), utilized the strength of each agencys enforcement techniques and statutory authority to reduce gang violence by arresting violent fugitives and criminal offenders who sold drugs and were known to illegally possess firearms in the city. Operation Hog Trap was a continued effort that proved to be successful similar to Operation Triple Beam Orejon, which took place in October of 2011 and Operation Triple Beam Alliance which took place from January to May of 2012. The collaboration of the SAPD spearheading the drug and firearm investigations along with the LSFTF spearheading the violent fugitive cases, resulted in 258 arrests to include 14 violent fugitives, 45 firearms seized, over $254,000 in drugs seized to include marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin, and over $82,000 in currency seized.
Jorge Rivera, 37, and Jennifer Flores, 35, were arrested without incident as a result of a search warrant that was executed at their residence. During the search of the residence, officers seized 6 high-powered rifles, 1 semi-automatic pistol, and over 500 grams of cocaine. Rivera and Flores were both arrested and charged on allegations involving conspiracy with the intent to distribute cocaine. Rivera was later identified as the Northwest Chapter president of the Bandido Motorcycle Club in San Antonio and Flores was identified as an associate.
Jesse Gutierrez, 24, was arrested at his residence in San Antonio without incident on felony warrants for allegations involving possession with the intent to distribute 250 grams of methamphetamine and felon in possession of a firearm. Officers also seized 4 grams of marijuana from the residence. Gutierrez was later identified as a member of the Tango Orejon gang and an associate of the Bandido Motorcycle Club in San Antonio.
Ismael Caracheo, 25, was arrested without incident on a felony warrant for an allegation involving possession with the intent to distribute heroin. Caracheo was later identified as a member of the Tango Orejon gang in San Antonio.
Alfred Finamore, 29, and Christopher Rodarte, 31 were arrested without incident while an alleged drug deal was taking place in the parking lot of a shopping center. During a search incident to arrest, officers seized 110 grams of heroin and $645.00 in currency. Finamore and Rodarte were both arrested and charged on allegations involving possession with the intent to deliver 4-200 grams of methamphetamine. Finamore and Rodarte were later identified as members of the Tango Orejon gang in San Antonio.
James Dean Gonzales, 55, was arrested without incident as a result of a search warrant that was executed at his residence. During the search of the residence, officers seized over 600 grams of methamphetamine and $7000.00 in currency. Gonzales was arrested and charged on allegations involving conspiracy with the intent to distribute methamphetamine and possession with the intent to distribute methamphetamine. Gonzales was later identified as one of the main suppliers of illegal drugs to the Bandido Motorcycle Club chapters in San Antonio.
Members of the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force:
San Antonio Police Department
San Antonio Independent School District Police Department
Bexar County Sheriffs Office
Comal County Sheriffs Office
Bexar County Fire Marshals Office
Bexar County District Attorneys Office
Texas Office of the Attorney General
Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Investigations Division
Texas Department of Criminal Justice Office of the Inspector General
U.S. Marshals Service
Additional information about the U.S. Marshals Service can be found at http://www.usmarshals.gov.
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Where, exactly, does it say “258 members of the Bandidos were arrested”? I’ll tell you where. It doesn’t.
Why do you continue to spew forth this garbage?
“One would think that when/if the police had probable cause for murder, capital murder or aggravated assault, they would recite it.”
Why?
Not citing that as probable cause for arrest is no obstacle from them making any eventual indictments on those charges.
It’s obviously a tricky case to investigate, I wouldn’t expect them to have all the details worked out for murder charges on day one, and it’s wasn’t necessary for them to lay those out in order to make the arrests.
“I’m simply not buying the “you have to commit a felony” noise in order to be a MC member, having that apply to Cossacks MC.”
I never said that, so don’t twist my arguments.
You will have to commit felonies to get patched into a 1% club, and the Cossacks certainly are a 1% club.
Do you let out little moans and cries when you post your garbage om Waco "biker" threads?
Go back and fill out that form I supplied for your use the other day, and mail it off to those whom are the most primary sources of your ongoing hurts, of which in some sick & twisted fashion you do appear to many freepers, to delight yourself in.
“To satisfy your pinheadedness, the affidavit in support of arrest does not allege that any individual accused participated in a gang to commit assault or murder (to use your words) or “committed murder, capital murder, or aggravated assault” “
LOL! Sorry that I left out capital murder. Next time I will be more careful. Here is the exact language.
1. It alleges an ‘individual’ by name.
2. It accuses them of participating in a gang
... on or about May 17, 2015, in McClennan County, Texas, the said Ronald Warren (07/19/59) did then and there, as a member of a criminal street gang, commit or conspire to commit murder, capital murder, or aggravated assault, against the laws of the State.
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