Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of “engaging in organized criminal activity.” There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called “the investigative impulse” in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, “in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that ‘people have a right to question their leaders.’”
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. “Any time a prosecutor’s office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it,” a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. “They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don’t want us to see or know about.” You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either “off the record” or “deep background,” this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained “off the record” as information that “cannot be used for publication.” The same news agency and most publications define “deep background” as information that “can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity.” Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls “Exemption Seven” or one of three “Exclusions.”
The exempt information is defined as, “Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.” The three exclusions are: One, “Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding;” two, “Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individual’s status as an informant is not known; and three, “Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.”
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as “transnational gangs.”
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why “gang investigations” are always classified as “ongoing” even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as “speculative.” As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, “A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source…is not credible.”
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
“For clarity please define “supports a criminal gang.””
The Statute.
Either the Statue is Constitutional, or it is not. In the mesan time for purposes of discussion, it had to be what the Statute includes as a criminal gang.
Again with the assumptions. How is a reader of your posts suppose to know when the great boogieman is assuming or telling the facts? My advice to the readers is boogieman is full of BS and posts it on FR.
No matter if you want to call a subthread unrelated from your point of view, to be unrelated from my point of view, no harm, even though factually erroneous. I summarized our argument in one paragraph, cutting through all your veiled insults and straw men.
You said "When police witness you participating in a deadly gang fight, that's all the probable cause they need." My rebuttal is that according to the Texas Tenth Court of Appeals, the affidavit in support of arrest does not recite probable cause of participating in a deadly gang fight.
Buddy. Ha.
The Twin Peaks Massacre Coverup
9/9/2015, 1:29:30 PM · 448 of 526
TexasGator to Robert Teesdale
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LOL!
It was from the song “Money” by the Led Zeppelin.
You guys are so desperate ...
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HA!!!
I figure you got caught up..realized you screwed up misquoting Scripture, and scrambled around trying to find an out. Then you just kept on a lying....and tried to pawn off you were listening to Pink Floyd...when that wasn't the truth either.
The word evil isn't in that Led Zeppelin version of the "money" song...But that's what you referenced...said you were listening to.
Talk about "desperate"...TG.
You've been caught once again...lying here on FR.
That's the bad thing about having your words archived.
Better be more careful.....eh?
Technically you are quite correct -- they only lacked criminal records in Texas.
Texas residents, all but one -- indeed, if I remember correctly (and I'm pretty sure I do) one of the guys KILLED was a life-long Texas resident, belonged to ZIP motorcycle club, and had zero criminal record ... er, in Texas only, right, Boogieman?
There is this thing called common sense.
Boogieman, who laughably claims NOT to have any conspiracy theories, believes the lunatic conspiracy that:
a) a whole bunch of criminal bikers -- 117, to be exact -- who LIVE IN TEXAS but who have zero criminal records IN TEXAS (what does that say for the efficacy of Texas cops?)...
b) conspired to commit murder in a public restaurant at a public meeting open to anyone interested in motorcycle-related legislative issues ...
c) in the presence of at least four, possibly six or more clearly marked police cars plainly visible to any and all entering the area to park in any of the parking lots, with ...
d) all the requisite security cameras and cell phone cameras that would normally be present at the height of the Sunday brunch rush in a busy popular shopping area in Waco, Texas.
Boogieman is reaching, straining, leaning heavily on a thin straw -- the weak possibility that these Texas residents have criminal records in other states, even though very clearly this was a meeting of biker clubs DOMINATED by in-state bikers.
Talk about wacky conspiracy theorists.
How in the world would you think that the article you posted and the quote you used somehow “disproves” the assertion that “115 have no criminal records”?
It say’s right there that they have no convictions. In Texas, I know. How far should someone look? As you are fond on saying “you look it up”. The Associated Press search of records is good enough for me.
Really? Come on now. Now you’re just parsing words. Or records. Or something.......Really?
“Records searched by The Associated Press show more than 115 of the 170 people arrested in the aftermath of a motorcycle gang shootout outside a Central Texas restaurant have not been convicted of a crime in Texas.”
That’s not some vague statement. Hell, it say’s exactly opposite of what you are trying to say.
I guess they(Associated Press) searched Texas records because, I don’t know, maybe because Waco is IN TEXAS! What do you think?
O.K. My exhaustive research shows that 177 of 177 bikers arrested had no prior criminal record in Alaska.
Satisfied?
My advice to the readers is boogieman is full of BS and posts it on FR.
L.Z. pretty much did it straight up...others not so much.
I like pretty much all the versions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeVx1C73o8k
The fact that you had your fingerprints on record may qualify as a criminal record, for all we know. Had a speeding ticket? maybe that is criminal record.
I'm guessing 'Fluffy' needs to do some more DUE DILLIGENCE!
/lmao
Here's the deal for me...I'm a FReeper. Been here since 2000...
I want to see justice for all.
People of all colors..and yes, white is a color.
Criminals, politicians, business people, bikers, etc..etc..my next door neighbor...and me.
Isn't that what it should be about?
I don't have my heels dug in here...I just want the truth to come out. Because from what I can see...so far. Something really stinks in Waco, TX. And it sure seems like there was and is...a cover up going on.
So, there you have it.
Ha! That would probably be a less misleading claim that the one that’s being spread :)
According to wikipedia (I know), authorship is attributed to Roger Waters.
“How is a reader of your posts suppose to know when the great boogieman is assuming or telling the facts?”
Well, when the facts in question involve potential future events that no human being can have any absolute knowledge of, it’s a pretty safe bet there is some assumption involved.
“How in the world would you think that the article you posted and the quote you used somehow “disproves” the assertion that “115 have no criminal records”?”
Well I didn’t say “disproved”, I said “debunked”, as a false/misleading claim. Which it was, as I explained quite clearly. If you can’t follow the clear logic in that post, I’m afraid there’s nothing more I can say to help you.
TG....got me riled up..because of his/her lying.
My mistake..........
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