Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of engaging in organized criminal activity. There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called the investigative impulse in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern Universitys Medill School of Journalism, in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that people have a right to question their leaders.
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. Any time a prosecutors office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it, a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they dont want us to see or know about. You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either off the record or deep background, this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained off the record as information that cannot be used for publication. The same news agency and most publications define deep background as information that can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity. Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls Exemption Seven or one of three Exclusions.
The exempt information is defined as, Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes. The three exclusions are: One, Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding; two, Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individuals status as an informant is not known; and three, Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as transnational gangs.
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why gang investigations are always classified as ongoing even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as speculative. As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source is not credible.
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
May I kindly and civilly point out: if you want those question answered, you have to seek the answers yourself by investing your time and your effort -- others can and will answer here but you are merely reduced to taking -- or not taking -- their word for it, which is how this started in the first place -- America took the MSM's word for it and America was wrong to do so. In America today, every MSM consumer has to take responsibility for informing themselves, as the MSM is fraudulent in terms of "journalism."
For example, I DID MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE and spent many, many hours on websites and blogs and news sources other than FR to dig, dig, and dig some more, reading comments and articles and doing media searches -- to discover that out of ALL the clubs present that day, only one motorcycle club there had a history of criminality with police and in the news. ONLY ONE OF THEM.
But guys like Gator and the other tiny handful (only about half a dozen individuals who post so prodigiously that they appear to be not nearly such a tiny group) insist that all of these clubs were criminal gangs, even though if you do your own due diligence (trying to link the well-over 100 places I went to discover this info on my own would be great if I got paid for it, but I don't), you WILL CONFIRM that prior to May 17, the ONLY motorcycle club on the radar with the cops, the ONLY one, was the Bandidos -- and at that, the Bandidos were ranked mere 2nd-tier criminals in terms of dangerous gangs.
Now, Gator will flat out deny that, just as he denies the FACT which you can also discover doing your own due diligence (as opposed to just taking my word for it), that only one third of the purported "criminal gang members" arrested had prior arrests or convictions, even misdemeanor type "crimes."
That alone tells those familiar with bikers what happened -- in the real world, any truly bad-ass biker over the age of 23 has a police record. Hell, a lot of us here had a police record by the time we were 23, and we're not even bad-ass.
“Still doesnt mean he was quoting the Bible.”
At the time, I had my headphones on, a plate of cheese, crackers and salami and a glass of red wine.
“As you say. Irrelevant.”
It’s not irrelevant if you’re trying to imply I made claims about that incident which I didn’t.
If you drop that nonsense, then yeah, let’s drop the Davidians, they are off topic anyway.
“If a damn animal is chewing my arm off Im gonna shoot him if I can.”
Of course, self defense is a different matter, but again, this is all pretty irrelevant.
Are you from Dope, Arkansas?
I never said different!
I made no request of anyone.
I made no criticism of anyone other than to note the comparison of Crystal's post inferring bad backgrounds (Russian) to Finny's post inferring bad characters (communists) in FR.
If you go back to JR's zot you will see his direct reference to these types of posts as not being acceptable on FR.
I totally agree with JR. FReepers should not make unsubstantiated claims that other FReepers are communists, Nazis or enjoy loading people into boxcars. Neither should they make false allegations that other FReepers are anti-constitution. I have had several allegations made to the mods about me that have been total misrepresentations of what I have said.
“When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant, he’s not committing vandalism - he’s being a dog.”
And when a biker shoots another biker he is not committing murder - he’s being a gangster.
“It’s not like you’re here with an open mind anyway.”
No, I don’t have much of an open mind about people who I know to be criminals. Sharp observation though.
“There is a difference between being an offensive idiot, and being angered by statist positions.”
Perhaps some are feel that those that propagate unsubstantiated conspiracy theories as being the offensive idiots.
I am not angered. I am only amused.
” Hell, a lot of us here had a police record by the time we were 23,”
Name one!
“There is a difference between being an offensive idiot, and being angered by statist positions.”
There is a difference between being angered by statist positions, and making unsupportable accusations against FReepers just because they don’t agree with your pet conspiracy theoy.
They have posted that to know a 1% biker you have to be a 1% biker.
They have posted that ‘a lot of us had a police record’
Is this where they are coming from? Is this where FR is headed?
I wonder if I said “Wise men say, ‘Only fools rush in’”, would Finny accuse me of mangling Alexander Pope?
hmmmm....
"" the interesting thing is his pants legs. Why would they have been pulled up like that? Perhaps to get something out of his boot?"
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