The Twin Peaks Massacre Coverup

The Aging Rebel ^ | 9/7/2015

[Finny]

Good post.

May I kindly and civilly point out: if you want those question answered, you have to seek the answers yourself by investing your time and your effort -- others can and will answer here but you are merely reduced to taking -- or not taking -- their word for it, which is how this started in the first place -- America took the MSM's word for it and America was wrong to do so. In America today, every MSM consumer has to take responsibility for informing themselves, as the MSM is fraudulent in terms of "journalism."

For example, I DID MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE and spent many, many hours on websites and blogs and news sources other than FR to dig, dig, and dig some more, reading comments and articles and doing media searches -- to discover that out of ALL the clubs present that day, only one motorcycle club there had a history of criminality with police and in the news. ONLY ONE OF THEM.

But guys like Gator and the other tiny handful (only about half a dozen individuals who post so prodigiously that they appear to be not nearly such a tiny group) insist that all of these clubs were criminal gangs, even though if you do your own due diligence (trying to link the well-over 100 places I went to discover this info on my own would be great if I got paid for it, but I don't), you WILL CONFIRM that prior to May 17, the ONLY motorcycle club on the radar with the cops, the ONLY one, was the Bandidos -- and at that, the Bandidos were ranked mere 2nd-tier criminals in terms of dangerous gangs.

Now, Gator will flat out deny that, just as he denies the FACT which you can also discover doing your own due diligence (as opposed to just taking my word for it), that only one third of the purported "criminal gang members" arrested had prior arrests or convictions, even misdemeanor type "crimes."

That alone tells those familiar with bikers what happened -- in the real world, any truly bad-ass biker over the age of 23 has a police record. Hell, a lot of us here had a police record by the time we were 23, and we're not even bad-ass.

[TexasGator]

“Still doesn’t mean he was quoting the Bible.”

At the time, I had my headphones on, a plate of cheese, crackers and salami and a glass of red wine.

[Robert Teesdale]

JR has zotted people for less that that!

This is JimRob's house and he has an absolute right to run it however the hell he likes. Correct.

Why just yesterday Crystal zotted by JR for less.

Crystal Palace East was being an offensive idiot. There is a difference between being an offensive idiot, and being angered by statist positions.

But it's ultimately up to him.

[Boogieman]

“As you say. “Irrelevant”.”

It’s not irrelevant if you’re trying to imply I made claims about that incident which I didn’t.

If you drop that nonsense, then yeah, let’s drop the Davidians, they are off topic anyway.

“If a damn animal is chewing my arm off I’m gonna shoot him if I can.”

Of course, self defense is a different matter, but again, this is all pretty irrelevant.

[Robert Teesdale]

Did the dog raise himself to the level of Police, or do the police lower themselves to the same level as the dog?

These days, it seems that the police are unable to raise themselves to the level of the dog.

When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant, he's not committing vandalism - he's being a dog.

When a militarized warrior cop explodes into a house unannounced at 4:00am with grenades and automatic weapons fire, he's not being a servant of the People - he's being a tyrant.

I would posit that the increasing ambushes of law enforcement are not being conducted for amusement, but rather as part of the organic intensifying of a low intensity conflict brought on by those currently in shock at the turning of initiative away from the paramilitaries.

[Robert Teesdale]

At the time, I had my headphones on, a plate of cheese, crackers and salami and a glass of red wine.

In other words, you were drugging while forcing unhealthy processed foods into your body as you disassociated from the world. Roger that.

But at least you weren't associating with criminal biker gangs like Boogieman, right?

The sophistry of your processes are matched only by the inanity of their denouements.

[Boogieman]

Are you from Dope, Arkansas?

[TexasGator]

"This is JimRob's house and he has an absolute right to run it however the hell he likes. Correct."

I never said different!

I made no request of anyone.

I made no criticism of anyone other than to note the comparison of Crystal's post inferring bad backgrounds (Russian) to Finny's post inferring bad characters (communists) in FR.

If you go back to JR's zot you will see his direct reference to these types of posts as not being acceptable on FR.

I totally agree with JR. FReepers should not make unsubstantiated claims that other FReepers are communists, Nazis or enjoy loading people into boxcars. Neither should they make false allegations that other FReepers are anti-constitution. I have had several allegations made to the mods about me that have been total misrepresentations of what I have said.

[TexasGator]

“When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant, he’s not committing vandalism - he’s being a dog.”

And when a biker shoots another biker he is not committing murder - he’s being a gangster.

[Boogieman]

“It’s not like you’re here with an open mind anyway.”

No, I don’t have much of an open mind about people who I know to be criminals. Sharp observation though.

[TexasGator]

“There is a difference between being an offensive idiot, and being angered by statist positions.”

Perhaps some are feel that those that propagate unsubstantiated conspiracy theories as being the offensive idiots.

I am not angered. I am only amused.

[TexasGator]

” Hell, a lot of us here had a police record by the time we were 23,”

Name one!

[Boogieman]

“There is a difference between being an offensive idiot, and being angered by statist positions.”

There is a difference between being angered by statist positions, and making unsupportable accusations against FReepers just because they don’t agree with your pet conspiracy theoy.

[TexasGator]

They have posted that to know a 1% biker you have to be a 1% biker.

They have posted that ‘a lot of us had a police record’

Is this where they are coming from? Is this where FR is headed?

[Robert Teesdale]

I am new to these kinds of threads, I’ve only seen them pop up from time to time and made only a casual mental note of them. This one I decided to read a bit more carefully to try to catch myself up on this case. So anyone who wishes to bring me up to speed please note my admitted, innocent ignorance of the facts here and also note while I’m new to this discussion I’m not an FR Noob.

It is good to ask questions. Unfortunately, this particular thread has become more or less a pissing contest of sarcasm and accusation, and not a whole lot of useful information going back and forth. That said, I'll take a stab at your questions and provide what I know, what I think, and what I believe.

1. If these two biker gangs (or clubs or whatever they are) hated each other so much, why did they assemble next to each other at this location in such mass?

There are a couple of fine-tuning points to consider. "Hatred" is really not a helpful adjective. Individuals may hate, but clubs or organizations do not. Organizations may or may not have formal alliances or institutional amity or enmity, but "hate" is not accurate.

And I do not mean to lecture. I would describe it more as tension existed between the two clubs; said tension lends itself to confrontation; and said tension also lends itself to exploitation by law enforcement for ends that may or may not be related to serving the public.

With respect to your question on assembly, it is not unusual for Confederation of Clubs meetings to have large attendance by member clubs - it would be atypical to simply send a single delegate or two.

This is one question I’ve had since the beginning. What were the mechanics, so to speak, of this assembly? Did one or two of one gang show up, and then two of the other, and then five of the one, and then 10 of the other? Or did they both come “en masse”, so to speak, all at once?

That is a question that is probably impossible to answer with total and unerring accuracy. From what reports are available, it appears that the Cossacks club was present first, and the Bandidos club arrived subsequently. It would not be surprising, unusual or indicative of anything to learn that individual Cossacks or Bandidos happened to already be present or arrived later.

And either way, again, why would two rival gangs (or clubs) group together like that in such large numbers from each? If they so hated each other? That just doesn’t seem right to me.

That's a fair question as well and there's a simple answer for it. Confederation of Club (COC) meetings are held in order for issues of interest to all motorcyclists and bikers to review and discuss, and form consensus on. Those issues may be external to the culture (proposed legislation) or internal (inter-club relations). COC meetings are considered to be neutral ground and neutral venues. In fact, it would not be unusual for COC officers to be patch holders in hostile clubs.

Much is made of the supposed hostility between clubs. It's not an automatic blanket-type situation. For example, you will hear things like "Club A is at war with the Club B!" When what is in fact taking place, may merely be a dispute between individuals that happen to bear the colors of those clubs. If the Club A in South California has a dust-up with Club B in South Carolina, that does not necessarily mean that Club A and Club B are at odds in Nevada. Or even in North Carolina.

Also keep in mind that all sorts of accusations aside, any organization is in truth made up of individuals.

I hope that answers your question thoughtfully. If it does not or leaves out a particular detail, feel free to ask further.

2. This is the main question if like answered, because it’s really not clear to me: Am I right to say that over 150 American Citizens are sitting in jail right now, without having been charged with a crime? Because if so, I don’t care if they are gay, Muslime, kiddy touching Democrats, no American Citizen should sit in a jail cell without any charges for over, what is it 3 months now?

I would refer you to Texas law, which apparently permits jailing on accusation prior to charging for up to six months. Freeper Cboldt can probably answer that with far more accuracy. I believe most have been bailed out.

If they have been charged, then ok (I guess) but I’d still ask when is their expected trial date (or have they waived the right to a speedy trial?)

I cannot provide, offhand, the actual status of each arrested person but I don't beleive trial dates have been set and I would be surprised to hear that any have waived that right.

To me, for now, these seem like the only pertinent questions.

In my opinion there are a number of appalling and unacceptable Constitutional violations that took place in Waco on May 17th, 2015. Those violations resulted in the deaths of Americans and the wounding of over a score of others. Mass arrests, fill-in-the-blank warrants, unconstitutional bail, confiscation of property, wiping of witness cell phones, and other abuses were rampant that day in Texas and in days to follow. It is an ugly situation.

You will find that there are many here who applaud that situation. There are those who consider the situation appalling enough that public discourse on it pointless, and preparation a better expenditure of civic energy.

I can't speak for others, but I remain interested in dialogue - if you can reach it through the slinging of propaganda and nastiness that this broader topic tends to bring to the fore.

[Robert Teesdale]

Are you from Dope, Arkansas?

Depends on where the word "from" is from.

[Boogieman]

I wonder if I said “Wise men say, ‘Only fools rush in’”, would Finny accuse me of mangling Alexander Pope?

[Robert Teesdale]

I totally agree with JR. FReepers should not make unsubstantiated claims that other FReepers are communists, Nazis or enjoy loading people into boxcars. Neither should they make false allegations that other FReepers are anti-constitution. I have had several allegations made to the mods about me that have been total misrepresentations of what I have said.

Why do you suppose there is such voluminous opposition to your positions, and with so much accompanying disgust?

[Robert Teesdale]

I am not angered. I am only amused.

I do believe that you find this entire situation in Waco to be amusing. Satisfying, even.

[TexasGator]

"This interview discusses only what we currently know about Waco and diverts discussion away from conjecture or conspiracy."

hmmmm....

"" the interesting thing is his pants legs. Why would they have been pulled up like that? Perhaps to get something out of his boot?"