Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
“There have been allegations (unconfirmed) that one of the Cossacks’ prospects was an undercover cop.”
Waco was a Cossack town. There were documented ‘discussions’ between the police and the Cossacks prior to 5/17.
I think that they all knew who was who and really had no need for an undercover agent.
This interview discusses only what we currently know about Waco and diverts discussion away from conjecture or conspiracy. The message of the interview is quite clearly that the suffering of the innocent outweighs the interest in persecuting the guilty. We simply don’t sacrifice the civil liberties of innocent people to punish the guilty in a free society.
I agree with this. Thanks.
“There is plenty of disagreement about who started the shooting.”
Lol, we’ve got from “Law enforcement instigated a gunfight...” to “there’s plenty of disagreement about who started the shooting” pretty quick, eh?
The first person at Waco that day killed was law enforcement, the first person fired upon was law enforcement, there is no dispute about that.
Even if the one guy was correct about LE shooting a dog, that wouldn’t justify the use of lethal force in response by the Branch Davidians. You cannot shoot a person because they shot a dog, if you do, it’s homicide.
“I’m on record stating that the propaganda against motorcycle clubs by you and several others is:
•Ineffective
•Desperate
•Silly
•Masturbatory
I notice that you didn’t say it was false!
I also notice that you didn’t say ‘gangs’.
I also notice that you totally ignore the criminal behavior of the gangs.
I also notice that you ignore the fact that this was a gunfight between two warring gangs.
Yes, we all know where you stand, at least those who have been paying attention.
You smell and sound just exactly like the kinds of cops I know, and have known all my life, who have zero business being cops, whose sole reason for being a cop is because they crave asserting their authority over others.
I know my fair share of good cops, have known them all my life and in fact have had GOOD cops help me avoid bad paths and take better ones. A good cop is worth his weight in gold; they are the kinds of guys whose boots you are not worthy to lick and the kinds of guys who don't want people licking their boots in any case.
But being cops, those good cops are circumspect and inscrutable when it comes to bad-mouthing the likes of you. But they communicate their contempt just the same, especially after they retire. It's how I am certain sure that if you are a cop, you are loathed and despised by many who tolerate you because they have to -- but even they have their limitations. :^)
“Those who talk the loudest about “criminal biker gangs” know the least about how a motorcycle club actually functions, let alone a 1%er club.”
You are one of the ‘loudest talkers’. Are you a member of a 1% ‘club’?
“Aging Rebel is already a well known outlaw motorcycle gang propaganda soap box...”
Well, it’s not well known to those at FR, apparently. Once the evidence comes out though, I don’t think there will be any denying it.
” You mean that there is some other, OLDER source than the King James Bible for the sentiment that “Love of money is the root of all evil” —?? “
He wasn’t quoting the Bible, duh....
That the Bible contains a similar quote still doesn’t mean he was quoting the Bible.
“post a link to the official story”
Lol, I’m not a conspriracy theorist who worries about “the official story”. The witness accounts are out there, go google them instead of being a lazy dunce and getting your info second hand from outlaw biker bloggers with an agenda.
I read article you posted. Supposed to shoot down supposed conspiracy theories. You left out the paragraph right below the one you posted:
That’s not to say that it won’t be found that the police overreacted and used too much force to stop the brawl. That’s entirely possible, and might even be supported by evidence, since the police had far more semi-automatic weapons than the bikers. But until we know for sure who fired the shots that killed those nine men, all of that is speculation. And so is the narrative that the police cooked this whole thing up as a set-up.
The entire article was posted to refute “conspiracy theories” and this is how they sum it up? That’s pretty much what many posters have been saying in these threads.
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To say that 1%er’s are criminals or people of a lesser moral code than the rest of society is a tainted opinion. The Outlaws Motorcycle Club is not a criminal organization. It is a motorcycle club. We have learned from the mistakes in our past and have worked quite hard to make our club a leader in the efforts of many clubs and bikers to insure that the 1%er lifestyle will continue to grow and stay a part of tradition for the coming generations of those bikers that have the same commitment to Biking and Brotherhood that the past and present 1%er’s have left to them.
We may not live by the rules of society, but we do live by it’s laws.
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The TRUTH (note that they nailed your dude in a three piece suit):
An indictment unsealed Wednesday shows that 42 people — from alleged gang members to a millionaire CEO — are facing a wide-range of charges that include drug trafficking, extortion, money laundering, witness tampering and illegal gambling. The charges, which come after a more than year-long investigation, were filed in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis.
"All kinds of people from different walks of life are involved in criminal activity," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Brad Blackington, the lead prosecutor in the case.
It's a case authorities describe as the largest bust of organized crime in the history of Indianapolis, reports CBS affiliate WISH-TV in Indianapolis.
Every member of the Outlaws Indianapolis chapter is currently in custody, along with several gang associates, Blackington said. Members of the motorcycle group's chapters in Ohio and Illinois also were arrested, U.S Attorney Joe Hogsett said during a news conference in Indianapolis to announce the arrests.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/outlaws-motorcycle-gang-hit-with-mass-arrests/
You cannot shoot a person because they shot a dog, if you do, it’s homicide.
Really? Try shooting a police dog.
Some animals are more equal than others.
“I think that “criminal biker gang” is a propaganda label that does little to bring informed discussion to the table.”
So you won’t answer the question, twice now. I’m going to have to assume you either think they don’t exist, or sympathize with them.
“How would that be your business?”
You claim to have more knowledge of these groups than others, so it’s a legitimate question. As I’ve said, I personally known 1%ers. I’ve hung out in their clubhouses, drank with them, shot the s***. One of my best friends was a 1%er (though I don’t associate with him much anymore). So there is my “bona fides” as to how I get my information about these groups. What are yours?
” Why don’t you go get their opinion on your public arguments in favor of Constitutional abrogation using the term “criminal biker gang” as applied to their club.”
I don’t associate with them anymore, so I’m not going to ask them. The ones I knew were all quite proud of their “outlaw” status though, and only pretended to not be criminals when it served their PR purposes.
“The entire article was posted to refute “conspiracy theories” and this is how they sum it up? That’s pretty much what many posters have been saying in these threads.”
LOL! They summed it up by saying that anything other than what I had posted from them was pure speculation.
That is what your posters are doing ... pure speculation!
Thanks for clarifying that point.
All the same, there was that allegation made.
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