Tried my best to warn troll.
Posted on 09/07/2015 2:18:27 PM PDT by z taxman
A few days ago when asked about the couragous stand of Kim Davis, Trump essentially came out in support of gay marriage. "Its the law of the land," he said. “I hate to see her being put in jail." Well, isn't that swell Trumpy, but he added “I understand what they’re doing. It would be certainly nice if she didn’t do it." Lets get this straight, while bold leaders like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee are coming out in support of Kim Davis and her religious stand of conscious, Trump is busy kowtowing to the gay mafia, turning an erroneous Supreme Court interpretation into the "law of the land". Of course this was brought to light immediately on FR. However, while there was some grumblings, most of those onboard the Trump train either glossed over the facts, became defensive and the usual (lack of) intelligent discussion took place.
When questioned about Obamacare at the first GOP debate August 6, Trump rambled and perpexingly came out in support of the single payer program they have in Canada and Scotland: "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." Yes Donald, single payer is working so well in Canada that they basically bustling over the border just to get the treatment they need here. Sure, Trump went on to check all the anti-Obamacare boxes in his response, yet it is the muddled up way he did so that ought to cause consternation. One has to wonder if it wasn't Obama himself who put the healthcare changes that are destroying the country forward, if it wouldn't be Trump himself who would do it. You see Donald, when offering a conservative critique of Obamacare, you don't start by praising the healthcare systems of Canada and Scotland. If he sought to make a conservative statement on the issue, he sounded more 'severely conservative' than anything else.
Now the big issue that propelled Trump (so far) is illegal immigration. To be sure, illegal immigration has been a giant problem for decades and kudos ought to be given to the man for bringing the discussion to the forefront of this presidential election. That said, his recent history on this topic is just as muddled as the other issues I have mentioned. Now, when bringing up Trump's liberal past, many Trumpians are quick to say 'that was years ago! The man has changed.' OK, sure I'll bite. However only three years ago, Trump hammered Romney for being to harsh on illegal immigrants, referring to Romney's stance on self-deportation for the illegals:
“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump told the conservative website NewsMax. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote. He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.” Trump went on to say, "The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump added. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.” Does this sound like the rhetoric of a conservative on illegal immigration? Mind you, no, this was not 10 years ago, this was as recent as the last election, when he had already had his Damascus moment and turned toward conservatism, supposedly.
Recently Trump has come on the populist side of things in regard to taxes, even Paul Krugman has come out in support of Trumps tax ideas... yes that Paul Krugman. In a Times op-ed, Krugman wrote that Trump is correct to embrace a tax hike on the rich and speak out in favor of universal healthcare. He added that conservatives — who are now slamming Trump’s proposals — were wrong to warn about the ill economic impacts of those policies ahead of the 2012 election. Keep in mind that Trump did once also propose the largest tax hike in U.S. history. Now Trump's tax hike idea isn't based on the wealthy carte blanche, but the small group of hedge fund managers who use a loophole to pay a lower tax rate on investment gains instead of income. However, his rhetoric is still jarring, "You've seen my statements. I do very well. I don't mind paying a little more in taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country," he said. The statement boils down basically, tax the rich, they can afford it. Very liberal sounding. A better idea would be to lower the income tax tax to mirror the rate of investment gains. Or here's a novel idea, a flat tax!
All these recent examples of Trump's murky brand of conservtism ought to put anyone who is truly on the right on edge. Delving further back into Trump's past raises even more questions: support for automatic gun ban, support for the bank bailouts, support for the auto industry bailouts, support for abortion (hell, even this year he came out supporting Planned Parenthood saying that abortion constitutes hardly a fraction of what they do), support for Hillary (calling her very capable in 2007, and donating hundreds of thousands to her controversy ridden charity), Barack Obama ("What he has done is amazing," "He's a champion") and the Democratic Party.
So the question for conservatives is when is enough enough? Will we sell out and cave in on our values just because we want to see a wall built? If that's the case, the true price of the wall cant be quantified in dollars and cents, but in the corruption of our conservative principles.
You forgot to tell me what “ YOU “ plan to do about Kim ,,,,, all that noise and nothing gained . You are a blow hard who can resolve to do nothing when put on the spot .
Who “put me on the spot?”
Some guy who doesn’t understand the First Amendment?
Well, we don’t call them the parasite class for nothing.
Typical argument from some one who can’s back up the dirt they stand on.
FRiend, I don't know.
I have made my position very clear on Trump.
I don't trust him, but I think he is working in tandem with Cruz.....I don't know.
I do love how he has shaken the DC corrupt filth to its core, how it plays out, I don't know.
Cruz is my choice, and I have issues with him too.
I will say this for sure though. With the GOPE and supposed Tea Party people we put in office (save a few), I got screwed so I know what I will get with them, Trump is indeed a wild card.
Should I vote for another BOHICA or should I roll the dice on Trump....I'm not sure.
Time will tell which way things are going to go, in the mean time I'm enjoying the chaos Trump is causing in the political elitist club.
Like you wrote, it's early still....we'll see
I stopped watch FOX News and all network news a long time ago so I don’t have to be bombarded by Rove’s soundbites. But I do have a question. Does anyone know who Rove is working for this election or is he keeping that under his hat? If it’s under his hat I wonder why?
Are you still here, troll? Never mind Trump, even Cruz would fire you. But, obsession is never pretty.
The more I think about it, it’s even highly suspect that you are even for Cruz.
No kidding. It's why I rarely drop by here anymore, since debate became dogpiles.
As for Trump, he strikes me as a PT Barnum, all ballyhoo and telling the eagerly gullible exactly what they want to hear. He's playing conservative populist, but that isn't what his history (and it's a long one) shows. What his history shows is being a Manhattan real estate salesman who is very, very good at getting other people to front him investment money.
In short, I think he's saying a lot of stuff the Right has been dying to hear, so they are flocking to hear him speechify and ignoring other good candidates with proven records that they mean what they say. But I don't believe that The Donald means a word of it.
There's one born every minute. A bunch of 'em probably bought Perot's line as well, and got BJC elected... twice. And they probably still feel self-righteous about it, too.
Tried my best to warn troll.
Its not over until the fat cat Viking kitty sings. At any rate it is over for the Z-Man.
My post wasn’t intended to stop you. We live in a free nation at least for now :>} I’m just trying to get people to actually think and remember dirty tricks done past when everyone thought someone was gonna save us all like Fred Thompson and McCain back in 2008 when Fred kinda ran and kinda tied up the race in doing so. Conservatives didn’t step in till it was too late after Fred decided No.
I still haven’t heard a single word about what you intend to do about Kim . Attacking me is no solution and apparently you can’t back up the dirt you stand on unless you consider throwing stones at me for asking . You are a blow hard with nothing but personal attacks to offer ,,, no resolution ,,, no answer ,,,, no nothing ,,,, you are pathetic . I’ll be waiting while you compose your next 2nd amendment free speech privilege to attack me again with no proposal on what “YOU” intend to do about KIM . Sticks and stones won’t break my bones and neither will you blow hard .
Its always good to cautious. we all have been burned before with McCain and other Republican candidates. I voted McCain and Romney over Obama and I would do the same tomorrow.
We just have to hope that with Donald Trump we will get a fighter who will prevail and reverse many Obama-type policies and executive actions. Trump may turn out submissive to the media same as the tough talking Schwarzenegger did in California but I will still take a chance on him (Trump)
Z taxman got Z Zot!
Nope, you're not worth the time.
I figured. I don’t suspect he was a Democrat, I suspect he was a liberal Elitist Republican establishment.
Yeah, sounds about right.
Another one down and more to go....should be a fun election season.
Tried my best to warn troll.
Hell, I expect HIM to be back before nightfall.
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