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Atheist Jerry Coyne explains why morality is impossible for atheists
Wintery Knight ^ | 8/4/2015 | Wintery Knight

Posted on 08/05/2015 11:23:15 AM PDT by Heartlander

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To: SkyDancer
Atheists always want you to prove there is a G-d. I tell them to prove there isn’t.

Neither is provable.....both require faith.

21 posted on 08/05/2015 1:30:44 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, they can give reasons. Of course, I can give reasons why I believe.

But the quesstion, “Prove that there is no God”, requires the proof of a negative, which is impossible.

What you have to do is to refute their arguments. Of course, with an atheist. upi are attacking their faith, and they don’t like it, and really cannot be reasoned with, IMO.

Let me restate. Atheists believe that there is no evidence for the existence of God. I disagree. However, just because no one has ever seen a unicorn, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. But one can assume so as a working proposition. So if you believe in unicorns, or God, and you want to convince someone that doesn’t, you have to present your arguments and evidence.

This is not easy to do. But to me, a God that could be put in a test tube to see whether He changed from red to blue, like litmus paper, isn’t a God worth worshipping.

In the end, it is the Holy Spirit, not you or me, that will convince them.


22 posted on 08/05/2015 1:39:59 PM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: chesley
"Atheists believe that there is no evidence for the existence of God."

What can they point to that shows there is no or cannot be any G-d? Just by saying "I believe there is no G-d" without any factual basis other than a statement doesn't seem like a valid argument. They're saying they don't believe therefor He doesn't exist.

23 posted on 08/05/2015 1:44:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Vaquero

But people who have faith can state the reasons for their belief. An atheist just says they don’t believe G-d exists with no foundation for that belief other than to state it.


24 posted on 08/05/2015 1:46:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Heartlander

There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death.

No God.
No Porposes.
No coal fired powerplants.
There is no life after death.
So, atheists never question where they were
before they were born?

They are funny and their mothers dressed them that way.


25 posted on 08/05/2015 1:49:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Dennis Prager has said the question he would ask an atheist is: “Do you hope you’re wrong?”


26 posted on 08/05/2015 1:54:20 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: SkyDancer
Don't be concerned with writing the name "God".

God's name isn't "God" ... it's "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or ..., but not "God".

27 posted on 08/05/2015 1:56:50 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: sparklite2
Since a negative can’t be proved, you’re asking the impossible, then preening when it isn’t done. Fail.

That's a myth. Negatives can be proven, and are, all the time.

"Some swans are not white" is a negative. Proof: Present a black swan. QED.

What cannot be proven is a universal negative: say, "No swan is red." To prove it true, you would have to have exhaustive knowledge of all swans. The best we can do is an inductive argument: based on all the available evidence, no red swan is known to exist. (But who's to say there isn't one paddling around a forgotten pond somewhere in Paraguay?)

Of course, positive atheism asserts exactly such a universal negative.

28 posted on 08/05/2015 2:00:40 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: SkyDancer
What can they point to that shows there is no or cannot be any G-d? Just by saying "I believe there is no G-d" without any factual basis other than a statement doesn't seem like a valid argument. They're saying they don't believe therefor He doesn't exist.

Can you prove there is no Santa Claus?

29 posted on 08/05/2015 2:02:17 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: SkyDancer

I gave you my reasons, apparently you don’t understand the point of my post. Let me put it bluntly, NO ONE CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE!!!!!! When you ask someone to prove the negative you are admitting that you have no proof of the positive! The only way conceivable to prove a negative is to prove a corresponding positive which makes the negative case. For example, suppose I were to be accused of committing a murder that recently occurred in my neighborhood and I had to prove I DID NOT do it. I would have to be able to prove that the murder occurred during a certain limited time period AND prove that I was somewhere else at the time which is proving a positive. I cannot prove the negative except by proving a positive. Can you grasp that? The burden of proof is always on the positive. Have you figured out how to prove that those fairies I mentioned don’t exist? I have zero reason to believe that they do but I have no idea how to prove that they don’t. If you intend to allow me to get away with putting the burden on you to prove they don’t exist I think you have a problem. Remember that Islam claims to believe in a God who commands that they strike the heads off of Christians who refuse to convert to Islam or pay the jizya tax. Are you going to allow them to put the burden on you to prove that their God does not exist and does not command that your head be cut off?


30 posted on 08/05/2015 2:05:53 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: glennaro

Actually YVWH has several names and the word Jehovah is nothing but putting vowels in order to better pronounce it. YVWH has several names depending - such as YVWH (Jehovah)- Jireh meaning - Yahweh will provide -but He has called Himself “I Am” - that is His name. When Moses asked who shall I say sent me, YVWH answered “I Am has sent you unto them”.


31 posted on 08/05/2015 2:52:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer

Thanks for the info. Appreciate my new knowledge!


32 posted on 08/05/2015 2:53:30 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: RipSawyer

Wow! Chill, no need to get all excited - we’re having an intellectual discussion but I guess it’s a might impossible with you. I have better things to do like discussing with my cat her upcoming wedding this weekend. It’s more interesting than reading your rant.


33 posted on 08/05/2015 2:54:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

There is a Santa - I see him every Holiday Season at the Mall. With that in mind, are you able to disprove your eternal destiny?


34 posted on 08/05/2015 2:56:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

PS - how’re things in Texas with Elvis and JFK?


35 posted on 08/05/2015 2:57:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: glennaro

And Yeshua referred to Himself as I Am ... (John 8:12)


36 posted on 08/05/2015 3:04:00 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Heartlander

“Atheists ain’t got no songs.” - Steve Martin


37 posted on 08/05/2015 3:04:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SkyDancer
There is a Santa - I see him every Holiday Season at the Mall.

Well, that explains a lot.

With that in mind, are you able to disprove your eternal destiny?

Let's start with you defining what that means. Let's agree on a definition of God before we start arguing on whether God exists.

38 posted on 08/05/2015 3:20:00 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Nope. Not a theologian. Just a Messianic Jewish gal what believes. Been in "discussions" here before that got out of hand so to speak. But thanks anyway.

And as far as that Santa crack of mine, sarcasm.

39 posted on 08/05/2015 4:14:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer

Atheism is a faith like any other. I guess they’re waiting for God to whack them upside the head. Which He will, but it’ll be too late for them then


40 posted on 08/05/2015 6:06:51 PM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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