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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; dfwgator
What would have happened had Germany won WWI?

Well, had they won WWI it would be by a squeak. They lost the moment the USA entered the war (no patriotic speaking, just cold, hard facts) -- at the most they cold have hoped for a draw in 1918

If they won, then they would have still have the USSR (a monster they helped create) and the German workers would have risen to form their own Soviet states

Austro-Hungary too would have formed soviets. ditto Italy, France etc. -- remember that during the Polish-Soviet war the workers in the UK, Germany and France prevented supplies heading to Poland.

Net result if the Germans won WWI AFTER the Russian collapse is a Soviet union that would have been based in Berlin but stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific -- over all of europe, russia, china

THAT would have been horrendous

115 posted on 08/03/2015 6:51:05 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Very possible, people forget just how close we got to the Revolution spreading all over Europe after the war.

Had it not been for Pilsudski, and the “Miracle of the Vistula”, Europe may very well had gone all Soviet.

Which sets up a potential conflict between German Communists and the Soviets, over who is the leader of the Communist movement.

I don’t think even the German Communists would have been happy with taking their orders for Moscow for long.


118 posted on 08/03/2015 6:54:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cronos

I will agree that Germany lost the war not necessarily “the moment” the US entered the war, more like a year later.

However, if you will, imagine that Germany won the war after say 1.5 years from 1914. The US has not entered. Perhaps Lenin was “exported” to Russia by Germany; perhaps not. Russia suffers 1/5th the casualties they did and perhaps does not collapse into the Communist-dominated but instead turns into a giant Venezuelan basket case. It was, in its way, but backs away from the militarism we struggled against in the 50’s-70s because Germany, oddly, becomes less warlike and never really acquires the aggressiveness it attains pre-WW2 because IT ALREADY HAS those territories it craved. The war trashes Belgium, for sure, but no fighting actually occurs on German soil (there was none, anyway) France would be largely a German colony. They would of course hate it.

So I guess I am asking you to imagine that Germany won WITHOUT a Russian collapse, or that Russian collapse was more a slow motion event. I’m not insisting that things would have turned out the way I am suggesting, it’s just kind of an interesting thought exercise.


123 posted on 08/03/2015 7:14:47 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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