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To: driftdiver

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it.

I suspect that we can’t take any of the partisan accounts presented so far (and all of them are partisan) to conclude anything has actually been denied. The news that we get translates events that may have taken hours or days and involved many people and competing concerns and parses them down to a teaser of ten to twenty words. That teaser is necessarily tainted by the need to seem explosive and to grab attention from the competition. This is why we have a deliberative and adversarial justice system. I’m prepared to wait for that system to run its course.


11 posted on 07/01/2015 7:06:15 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
Thank you for rational and reasonable comments that invite actual discussion.

I would like to hear what you think about this.

Judge Sullivan: Some Arrests at 2004 RNC Lacked Probable Cause

The matter of 177 identical probable cause affidavits seem outrageous on its face. In the matter I linked, the judges affirms the requirement of individualized probable cause for crimes alleged to have been committed by each individual arrested.

17 posted on 07/01/2015 7:17:09 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Gen.Blather

“partisan “ accounts don’t matter.

They arrested a bunch of people, applied the same charges to everyone and gave everyone the same bail.


21 posted on 07/01/2015 7:47:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gen.Blather
This is why we have a deliberative and adversarial justice system. I’m prepared to wait for that system to run its course.

With respect, YOU can afford to wait. Had it been you at one of the tables in Twin Peaks that day, and you suddenly found yourself held hostage and prevented from going home, going to your job, paying bills, meeting obligations of career and personal nature, and then had to pay THOUSANDS of dollars at least to go home after at least two weeks, plus pay hundreds of dollars to wear an ankle monitor even though you had no record of prior arrest --

-- well, I guess you would also have all the time in the world to "wait for the justice system to run its course" because your financial and professional life would already have been damaged beyond repair, and any monetary settlement "justice" may mete to compensate for your suffering, is MANY MANY YEARS AWAY.

This thing at Waco was BLATANT in its contempt for due process and the rights of citizens assembled at a political meeting -- THAT is exactly what this was. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of FACT. reasonably established after independent due diligence and application of common sense.

That the writers of news reports FAIL to present this event in its complete context, is a very sad fact as well.

54 posted on 07/01/2015 9:50:33 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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