And neither are you, no matter how much you want to believe it.
Posted on 05/24/2015 11:40:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
(May 23, 2015) In a 187-page filing made on Friday, Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joseph M. Arpaio and his chief deputy, Gerard Sheridan, asked U.S. District Court Judge G. Murray Snow to recuse himself from a contempt case stemming from a December 2007 lawsuit...
As a result of Arpaio and Sheridan’s filing on Friday, Snow canceled status hearings scheduled for May 29 and June 12, although he asked all parties to reserve the remaining June dates, beginning on the 16th, on which the trial is scheduled to resume.
(Excerpt) Read more at birtherreport.com ...
My sentence "that revelation and admission by Arpaio" could have been more precise.
In his testimony at the April 23 hearing, Arpaio was questioned by Judge Snow about details contained in the June 4, 2014, Phoenix New Times article by Stephen Lemons. In that article, Lemons revealed that the MCSO had employed Dennis Montgomery, a known scammer, to pursue the theory that Judge Snow, the DOJ, and others were involved in a scheme to "get" Sheriff Arpaio. Under questioning, Arpaio confirmed the basic information revealed in that article, though he also testified that Judge Snow specifically wasn't the target of any investigation. Snow subsequently invited counsel for the Defendants to make any corrections to the testimony deemed necessary to conform them to the truth (i.e., Snow was signaling Arpaio may have been less than fully truthful).
After having received the documents from the MCSO which he requested be preserved and transmitted to the Court, Snow at the May 14 status conference stated that a brief review of the documents confirmed that Montgomery was hired to access private communications to substantiate that Snow, etc., were part of a conspiracy to target Arpaio.
So Arpaio admitted to portions of this; the documents turned over by the MCSO appear to confirm the rest.
That's the spin Arpaio has tried to put on it. The documents which have been turned over to the Court are revealing that Snow was a target of Montgomery's claim he could gather evidence of a conspiracy involving Snow and others against Arpaio. Those documents may open up Arpaio to perjury charges.
But what does Arpaio being concerned about being spied on have to do with whether he was in contempt of Snow’s order?
The Judge himself explains why it's relevant. From the Arizona Republic article linked in the prior post:
Snow wondered aloud why, when the Sheriff's Office should have been dedicating time and money to complying with the court's orders stemming from the racial-profiling case, that the agency was funneling funds and overtime man-hours in an attempt to construct a "bogus conspiracy theory."
The Montgomery debacle goes to the legal question of intent and wilful noncompliance: if Arpaio and the MCSO were - rather than attempting to comply with the Court's order -- devoting time and resources to trying to find a way to undermine the Judge who issued the order, this may show wilful noncompliance.
So SNOW claims that the secret documents that only he gets to see prove that Arpaio conspired against him. And the BC investigation somehow ties into that too. And he gets to keep all the proprietary information from Montgomery - which worked for spying purposes when used for Arpaio but DIDN’T work when Montgomery was hired by the regime to spy on Snow, Arpaio, and others...
Riiiight.
If Snow’s decision was made because he intended to get rid of Arpaio politically, would that be a mis-trial, and the orders themselves vacated?
The uncontested fact remains that Snow’s wife publicly stated that her husband was trying to get rid of Arpaio. And he wants us to trust him when he says that Arpaio provided documents which prove that Arpaio committed crimes?
And you unswervingly swallow - hook, line, and sinker.
Like I said, spew your venom elsewhere. You’re a regime hireling and it’s obvious to everybody but yourself.
They confirm what Stephen Lemons, based on other sources, reported in June, 2014. Hardly a "secret."
And the BC investigation somehow ties into that too.
Who has said anything about the BC investigation? Not Judge Snow.
Based on circumstantial evidence and comments made by Mike Zullo, it may well be that Zullo is part of how Montgomery got to Arpaio. But the bit Zullo was saying about a "second investigstion" that flowed from, but was separate from the BC part fits with what we now know about the timetable for the Montgomery matter.
he gets to keep all the proprietary information from Montgomery -
Once Montgomery is paid to produce material for the MCSO, it's a weak argument that claims it remains proprietary to Montgomery. Besides, Deputy Sheridan testified what they got from Montgomery was worthless.
which worked for spying purposes when used for Arpaio
Huh? Nothing Montgomery has done has worked. He BS'ed the CIA. He BS'ed the MCSO. He's a scammer.
but DIDN’T work when Montgomery was hired by the regime to spy on Snow, Arpaio, and others...
The regime hiring Montgomery to spy on Snow and Arpaio?? You've got it backwards again. Arpaio did the hiring. You and facts can't seem to stay close together for long.
If Snow’s decision was made because he intended to get rid of Arpaio politically, would that be a mis-trial, and the orders themselves vacated?
Which decision are you talking about?
The uncontested fact remains that Snow’s wife publicly stated that her husband was trying to get rid of Arpaio.
Uncontested fact??? LOL. You're talking about a bit of triple hearsay. After they looked into this in 2013, Arpaio's own attorney, Tim Casey, wrote that the Karen Grissom comment was dubious and not reliable and shouldn't be used for anything. And Arpaio and the MCSO knew about Grissom's allegation back in 2013. Arpaio can't now two years later use it as a grounds for refusal by Snow.
But for you it's "uncontested" and something upon which you're prepared to make conclusions. As you say, Riiggghhhttt.
Like I said, spew your venom elsewhere.
It's a public forum. You post erroneous crap, you are subject to being publicly corrected. Deal with it.
Make the above “recusal” by Snow. Oh, the joys of auto-uncorrect.
You are wrong on so many counts. Suffice to say that you are not privy to everything. End of story. Bye.
Oh, I see. I'm wrong on "many counts" but you can't substantiate even one of those. Instead you pull the ol' "I have information you don't know about" ruse. Funny.
It never ceases to amaze how quickly some fold up their tents and duck out once they are hit with facts and bona fide arguments.
And neither are you, no matter how much you want to believe it.
“The uncontested fact remains that Snow’s wife publicly stated that her husband was trying to get rid of Arpaio.”
Is that the uncontested fact that Arpaio’s lawyer described as “…the Grissom information is, in my judgment, so fundamentally flawed in its substance that it likely cannot be used in a Rule 60 motion, appeal, or otherwise without the lawyer doing so violating the Federal Rules of civil Procedure and the Arizona Rules of Professional Conduct.”
“What the “Universe Shattering Evidence” is has not been disclosed, but is still pending, according to Gallups.”
But the timeline suggests that Montgomery is the source of the “universe shattering information”.
In November, 2013, Zullo told Gallups that he had spent three weeks out west on the investigation and (IIRC) for the first time said the new evidence was “universe shattering”. So much so that Arpaio had started a criminal investigation.
In February, 2014 Zullo told Gallups that Arapio had assigned two MCSO detectives to the investigation.
Zullo also said that the criminal investigation part really didn’t involve the birth certificate. That Arpaio would hold a press conference about the criminal investigation evidence followed by a second press conference by Zullo involving the birth certificate.
In June, 2014 the Phoenix New Times article named two MCSO detectives (Mackiewicz, Anglin) that were doing an investigation with Montgomery. That investigation started in October, 2013.
In April, 2015, Arpaio and Sheridan told the court that two MCSO detectives (Mackiewicz, Anglin) and Zullo had spent about a month in Seattle working with Montgomery to prod him to get more evidence.
When Judge Snow asked who had the Montgomery documents Arpaio replied, “I believe Zullo does.”
It is pretty clear the “universe shattering” evidence is coming from Montgomery. Unfortunately both Arpaio and Sheridan said in court that Montgomery’s information was unreliable.
Judge Snow: “…you became aware after a considerable amount of time that the reporter was giving you junk. Is that fair to say?
Sheriff Arpaio: “Yes”.
Judge Snow: “Or the informer was giving you junk?”
Sheriff Arpaio: “Yes.”
And later
Judge Snow: “…how is it that you’ve come to conclude that the information you were getting from Mr. Montgomery is not reliable?’
Sheriff Arpaio: “I think the investigators, as time progressed, figured that he may not be reliable.”
Chief Deputy Sheridan told the court that he thought Montgomery was just stringing them along.
At this point anything produced by the Cold Case posse with Montgomery’s fingerprints pon it will be viewed as “junk”.
Further update from Gallups on his radio program:
Broadcaster Carl Gallups gave a brief update on Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation into Obama’s forged identity documents. Gallups said to look at what’s coming out that has no relevance to the so-called immigration case.
He said what you’re reading in the papers about Sheriff Arpaio’s contempt case is not the earth shattering information.
Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/05/gallups-follow-arpaio-contempt-case.html#FIwzMTlwm43ltcVj.99
What a bunch of duds Sheriff Joe and his fabulous posse turned out to be.
I would agree with his statement. Nothing in the contempt hearing so far even comes close to being universe or earth shattering. And there is this statement by Judge Snow from the May 14th status conference,
“The documents that I have seen pertain to what appears to be some of the activities of the Seattle operation we involve Dennis Montgomery as a confidential informant. The documents seem to reveal that at least part of their operations, the Seattle operatives attempted to construct an alleged conspiracy that supposedly involved this Court; one of this Court’s former law clerks; Eric Holder, the attorney general of the United States; Lanny Breuer, the Chief Deputy Attorney General of the United States in charge of the criminal division; Phil Gordon, the mayor of Phoenix; and Brian Sands, the executive chief of the MCSO. The purpose of the alleged conspiracy was apparently to covertly investigate the MCSO and deprive the sheriff and the MCSO of the due process of law in this particular case and in a related case brought against the sheriff by the DOJ.”
The key phrase is “at least part of their operations”. So what is the other part of the operations? The birth certificate?
Also this statement by Judge Snow from the May 14th status conference,
“Nevertheless, I do recognize the potential that these documents will have stuff that might be fun to investigate but don’t have anything to do with this case, and I’m going to allow you, certainly, to make any objections. And I’ll — you know, I’ll be very receptive to them, ...”
So there appears to be a lot more in the Montgomery documents then just the CIA/DOJ stuff.
Both Arpaio and Sheridan said Montgomery had lost credibility with the MCSO. Remember also that it was last August when Gallups said that one of the hurdles they had to overcome was revetting the evidence and the witnesses. So the point isn’t that the universe shattering stuff hasn’t been revealed, it’s that Montgomery still appears to be the source. If any of the universe shattering evidence comes from Montgomery it will not be taken seriously by anyone who matters.
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